https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/ Guitar Noise Discussion Board en-US Fri, 05 Jun 2026 09:05:33 +0000 wpForo 60 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/paged/2/#post-222228 Sat, 13 Jan 2007 03:24:29 +0000 Guitar Noise Songwriting Club smokindog https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/paged/2/#post-222228 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/paged/2/#post-222103 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:00:18 +0000
I guess that it does work for some people though. The business of having your own books printed used to to be known by the somewhat cynical name of "vanity publishing" but it was still a good way for people to get stuff out there that wasn't worth the usual companies handling. Often that meant small special interest groups, but some authors were perfectly prepared to wear the cost of having their own poetry or whatever printed, and then giving it away to friends, trying to flog it at market stalls or whatever. Much as the above examples do for music publishing, Cafepress and its ilk does for vanity publishing. Still looking for a decent UK based version though, I know I could get it done at a printers for half the price, but they all seem to want to charge a setup fee over here. When it costs them next to nothing to setup, I object :)]]> Guitar Noise Songwriting Club Misanthrope https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/paged/2/#post-222103 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/#post-222087 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:12:45 +0000
I guess that it does work for some people though. The business of having your own books printed used to to be known by the somewhat cynical name of "vanity publishing" but it was still a good way for people to get stuff out there that wasn't worth the usual companies handling. Often that meant small special interest groups, but some authors were perfectly prepared to wear the cost of having their own poetry or whatever printed, and then giving it away to friends, trying to flog it at market stalls or whatever.

Of course the internet has completely changed the landscape. :) So the possibilities of making stuff available in either physical or electronic form and marketing it through Ebay or other online channels are still being tapped. In fact, still being invented too I suppose. Thanks for the info above on the research you've done on the subject. Interesting stuff. :)

Cheers,

Chris]]> Guitar Noise Songwriting Club Chris C https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/#post-222087 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/#post-222075 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 08:30:08 +0000
The whole Soundclick deal is very interesting and I'm following that with a close eye. SaB has an interesting formula but it doesn't match up when you do the numbers. 50% of the ad revenue is nothing, and for that 50k you could almost build your own studio and hire a producer. If the adds result in 1 cent a view (not that unrealistic, it's not that everyone will instantly buy their products!), that will give a shareholder no less then 0.0001 cents per download. You'd need ten million downloaders for the shareholders to get their $10 back. If they are to actually make a great deal of money, say a whopping $50 you'd need 50 million people to download your song. By this time (60 million 'sold' copies) you've earned $300,000. Nice, but you'd probably could have done a whole lot better. It'll cost more to advertize it to sell those volumes.

The only one I can really see profiting is SaB itself: they only have to keep a few thousands dollars of the invested 50k to do nicely for themselves.]]> Guitar Noise Songwriting Club Ignar Hillström https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/#post-222075 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/#post-222070 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 08:03:43 +0000 thats just awesome, you are a great songwriter and to have the opportunity to fine tune that skill is a once in a life time chance, so make the most of it mate (I dont really need to tell you that do I). And do let us know how it goes.

cheers

Paul]]> Guitar Noise Songwriting Club pbee https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/#post-222070 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/#post-222069 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:49:30 +0000
It's a bit the same in the book writing world, you can pay to attend workshops, seminars etc. Then there are people who you can continue to pay to help critique, edit and polish your work. These people have a better working knowledge of how you take the next step towards actually getting paid for your work, but they often don't have much power to directly line you up with anything.

You can "pay your way up the chain" to a certain extent, but eventually you hope to reverse the direction of cash flow. Or not (many people are quite content to keep paying for their 'hobby' and never expect a pro return). Or you can be lucky and just catch the right eye at the right time (of which we all dream of course... :wink: ).

There are organisations that help people self-publish their own books, or print and market their own CDs too I believe. There are lots of possible paths.

So it will be interesting to hear not only what they tell you, but what they suggest the next step is.

Good luck. Sounds like a great opportunity. :)

Cheers,

Chris]]> Guitar Noise Songwriting Club Chris C https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/#post-222069 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/#post-222044 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 05:58:15 +0000 Guitar Noise Songwriting Club Ignar Hillström https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/#post-222044 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/#post-220629 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:55:11 +0000
Because usually all the speakers have summit to talk about!

Steve.]]> Guitar Noise Songwriting Club stevebishop https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/#post-220629 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/#post-220004 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 07:52:52 +0000
You thought you'd be spending your evenings chatting with experts, writing great songs, and just hanging out.....

.... whereas, as GN's resident roving reporter, spy and inside ear, you'll really be spending the time operating your tape recorder, video-cam and laptop, and whispering hot tips into your shoe-phone....No?.... 8)

Don't take too much notice of all us mates who want to get in on the act for free.. just enjoy.. But, I'm sure you'll be making a few notes for your own reference though.....won't you.... :wink:

Have a great camp,

Chris]]> Guitar Noise Songwriting Club Chris C https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/#post-220004 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/#post-219951 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 05:13:35 +0000
Sounds like a great time, Geoo. Enjoy!

Margaret]]> Guitar Noise Songwriting Club margaret https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-noise-songwriting-club/songwriting-summit/#post-219951