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									Amp, Tone, Gain..... - Guitar Players Discussion				            </title>
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                        <title>RE: Amp, Tone, Gain.....</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/amp-tone-gain/#post-145522</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Tube all the way! (though I dont know about hyrids)

There are some good hybrids around, and the best of them have done - or tried to do - clever technical things to address this absence of ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Tube all the way! (though I dont know about hyrids)

There are some good hybrids around, and the best of them have done - or tried to do - clever technical things to address this absence of power amp overdrive in the sound. The Vox Valvetronix amps are pretty extraordinary in this respect. (Vox say: "The AD100VT, AD50VT, AD30VT and AD15VT feature our patented VOX Valve Reactor found on all Valvetronix products. The Valve Reactor circuit uses a 12AX7 triode vacuum tube together with an actual low-wattage tube power amp circuit, a virtual output transformer and a dummy speaker circuit that simulates the impedance changes of a real speaker. It also reconfigures itself so that its characteristics are the same as the amps it's modeling (class A, class AB, negative feedback circuit, etc.). This means that all of the nuances of the original amp model including sound, feel, distortion and presence are reproduced accurately.") The Valvetronix "UK '70s" and "UK '80s" models are some of the best Marshall sounds I've heard, apart from the real thing of course ...<br><br>I'm no engineer, but these things sound bloomin' awesome, and that's from someone whose main amp for years was a very much old-school tube amp, an AC30TB from around 1966, so I know what valves sound and feel like when they're overdriven 8) <br><br>Price? I notice Musician's Friend are doing the AD30VT for $239, and the AD50VT for $359 - so less than the Marshall hybrids anyway. (Here in the UK, around Â£150 and Â£200 respectively.) NB - don't be tempted to go for the AD15VT - it lacks the output power level control that, and I quote Vox again, from the manual: "... lets you get that highly desirable, fat, warm sound of the Valvetronix power stage being driven hard (a common trait of all great valve power amps), at various levels." Does just what it says on the box, too!]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>PVTele</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Amp, Tone, Gain.....</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/amp-tone-gain/#post-145508</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[i&#039;d agree with arjen on this one, A buddy of mine has a Boss MT2 i really didn&#039;t like the sound. Minus Human]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[i'd agree with arjen on this one, A buddy of mine has a Boss MT2 i really didn't like the sound. <br><br>Minus Human]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Minus_Human</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Amp, Tone, Gain.....</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/amp-tone-gain/#post-145465</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[oops wrong thread]]></description>
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						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Primeta</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Amp, Tone, Gain.....</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/amp-tone-gain/#post-145451</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[As Wes said, the real marshall tone is in the old tube series (can&#039;t say I like the modern TSL series very much). Anyway, for a proper lead sound try this:Californian-&gt;Hi-gain-&gt;US. Pre...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[As Wes said, the real marshall tone is in the old tube series (can't say I like the modern TSL series very much). Anyway, for a proper lead sound try this:<br><br>Californian-&gt;Hi-gain-&gt;US. <br>Presence/treble/mids/bass: 7/5/7/5<br>Gain: 5 (important, don't increase sustain by pumping the gain!)<br>Volumes: whatever you feel like.<br><br>Add some compression, reverb en tiny bit of flanging. Final sound depends on your axe so experiment a bit. The tubes in the AVT 'should' make it sound a bit more warmth but the effects are tiny so it really isn't a tube amp in any way, it's basically your GMX with less sonic variety and a marshall logo. I myself would stay away from the MT2, it has quite some trouble with keeping the indivual string's sound from blurring together which becomes very apparant if you mix lead with rhythm playing.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Ignar Hillström</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Amp, Tone, Gain.....</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/amp-tone-gain/#post-145427</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 02:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I have a Metal Zone. Yeah its great pedal when your playing loud (you dont quite get the chunky depth on the lower volumes) Definately worth getting, but I wouldnt atribute it to producing a...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I have a Metal Zone. Yeah its great pedal when your playing loud (you dont quite get the chunky depth on the lower volumes) Definately worth getting, but I wouldnt atribute it to producing a Rhoads sound. Tube amps also sound better the louder you go. So its pretty much whole setup that made it sound so great. I guess it would have been the amp however that got the RR sound, even through Rhoads himself played through Marshall tube amps.<br><br>All this talk of tubes and Marshalls...My advice is, dont bother getting a Marshall unless it is a tube amp. My friend has a 100watt solid state stack (lol tounge twister) and I think it despiratly lacks quality and tone. Tube all the way! (though I dont know about hyrids)]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>simon@home.co.uk</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Amp, Tone, Gain.....</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/amp-tone-gain/#post-145408</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Now, if you really want to sound great, plug that pedal into an old Marshall Plexi or JCM800 amp. You will think you died and went to heaven.  :D

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                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Now, if you really want to sound great, plug that pedal into an old Marshall Plexi or JCM800 amp. You will think you died and went to heaven.  :D

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						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Primeta</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Amp, Tone, Gain.....</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/amp-tone-gain/#post-145406</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[MetallicaManThe Marshall amp you showed is a &quot;hybrid&quot;. It has a tube(s) in the preamp section which does help give a little warmer tone than most solid state amps. But a true tube amp also h...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[MetallicaMan<br><br>The Marshall amp you showed is a "hybrid". It has a tube(s) in the preamp section which does help give a little warmer tone than most solid state amps. But a true tube amp also has tubes in the power section. Believe me, you cannot get a real Marshall tube amp for $500 unless it is used and probably in pretty rough shape. <br><br>I actually think the Marshall solid state and hybrid amps have a pretty good tone. I think that is all you were hearing. Marshall amps have an awesome tone, especially for very heavy Rock or Metal. <br><br>Now, if you really want to sound great, plug that pedal into an old Marshall Plexi or JCM800 amp. You will think you died and went to heaven.  :D]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Amp, Tone, Gain.....</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/amp-tone-gain/#post-145394</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Arjen, I have a Behringer GMX 210. I use  a digitech death metal pedal on the clean channel of the amp and useually volume on the amp is about 3-4. The amp at the store was alot like this on...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Arjen, I have a Behringer GMX 210. I use  a digitech death metal pedal on the clean channel of the amp and useually volume on the amp is about 3-4. The amp at the store was alot like this one...<a href="http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/483173/">http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/483173/</a><br><br>It had that same "turn on" switch and looked ALOT like that one. I guess your right, 500 dollars. ouch. So arjen is there any way i can get the sound that comes from that amp, or something close to it from my 210GMX? Was it because it IS a tube amp, or was it just the pedal and settings on it??? Thanks. :?]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>MetallicaMan</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Amp, Tone, Gain.....</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/amp-tone-gain/#post-145319</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Primeta: I would normally agree with you in that the &#039;proper&#039; marshall are the tube marshalls. But I doubt that MM cranked the marshall way high and if he didn&#039;t all he would have gotten was...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Primeta: I would normally agree with you in that the 'proper' marshall are the tube marshalls. But I doubt that MM cranked the marshall way high and if he didn't all he would have gotten was major pre-amp overdrive from the MT2-boosting. Hardly the sound RR was famous for. So I'm kinda confused on this situation...]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Ignar Hillström</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Amp, Tone, Gain.....</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/amp-tone-gain/#post-145298</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Well, a good modelling amp will give a good reproduction of the tube sounds. So in one way, yes you probably like it either because it&#039;s tube, or sounds like one, with a good speaker. Given ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Well, a good modelling amp will give a good reproduction of the tube sounds. So in one way, yes you probably like it either because it's tube, or sounds like one, with a good speaker. Given this is a Marshall product, my guess is that it's tube. Their solidstate and modelling lines usually aren't that impressive. At least the ones I've tried.<br><br>I'd also like to point out, your experience demonstrates something that can be hard to get across to people new to guitar. Cheap guitar and great amp equals great sound.<br><br>But really go find out, and tell Arjen which Behringer you've got :)]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Primeta</dc:creator>
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