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                        <title>Re: How Slow Can You Play A Scale?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 02:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Haha, that&#039;s an interesting exercise in concentration.  Just tried it and I could do quarter notes at 60 in time.  That&#039;s a good exercise to torture students with if you are a teacher :)]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Haha, that's an interesting exercise in concentration.  Just tried it and I could do quarter notes at 60 in time.  That's a good exercise to torture students with if you are a teacher :)]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>BobRock</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: How Slow Can You Play A Scale?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 21:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[It really comes down to whatever floats your boat.

Yep.  There&#039;s no accounting for taste.  :)]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[It really comes down to whatever floats your boat.

Yep.  There's no accounting for taste.  :)]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Crow</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: How Slow Can You Play A Scale?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 21:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not a shredder I&#039;m just defending their right to shred. To many times I see that and sure there are alot of cases where I would agree it might not sound musical  but there are also many ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I'm not a shredder I'm just defending their right to shred. To many times I see that and sure there are alot of cases where I would agree it might not sound musical  but there are also many that are, but again we will make that decision based on our own personal ideas about musicality and what consitutes it. <br><br>And just because a blaze of 64th notes doesn't sound musical to US that doesn't mean it doesn't sound musical or isn't to those that like it.<br><br>It really comes down to whatever floats your boat.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>cnev</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: How Slow Can You Play A Scale?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 21:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[...now that you mentioned it you said:
There are innumerable guitar players out there who can play huge streams of warp-speed 64th notes with no musical content whatsoever.

Tell me how to i...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[...now that you mentioned it you said:
There are innumerable guitar players out there who can play huge streams of warp-speed 64th notes with no musical content whatsoever.

Tell me how to interpret that statement...somehow it doesn't seem like a compliment?

Wasn't aimed at anyone posting here, because I have no basis for that kind of judgment.  Those players <I>are</I> out there, don't you agree?<br><br>Discussions of speed do seem to turn into p!ssing contests, don't they.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Crow</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: How Slow Can You Play A Scale?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 21:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Crow this wasn&#039;t meant toward anyone in particular but just MY personal assessment on the whole speed thing and the reponses I&#039;ve seen on this board for years my assessment wasn&#039;t based on w...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Crow this wasn't meant toward anyone in particular but just MY personal assessment on the whole speed thing and the reponses I've seen on this board for years my assessment wasn't based on what was just posted here.<br><br>But now that you mentioned it you said:
There are innumerable guitar players out there who can play huge streams of warp-speed 64th notes with no musical content whatsoever.

Tell me how to interpret that statement...somehow it doesn't seem like a compliment?]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>cnev</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: How Slow Can You Play A Scale?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 20:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a bit with Ande on this whole speed thing, sure speed doesn&#039;t mean musical but it doesn&#039;t mean NOT musical either....

Did anyone say it does?  Specifics?But I think that there is a bit ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I'm a bit with Ande on this whole speed thing, sure speed doesn't mean musical but it doesn't mean NOT musical either....

Did anyone say it does?  Specifics?<br>But I think that there is a bit more to it than that. I'm sure if you went to a metal forum no one would be dissing you cuz you play fast so what does that mean.

Has anyone "dissed" anyone on this topic?...<br>...some of the dislike for shredding to me comes from a subconcious realization that the person that says playing fast isn't musical are saying those things because they can't.

...up to that particular comment, at least?   :roll: <br>The reality is anything can be musical no matter what speed it's at, it's all in the ears of the listener, not one is going to tell you what is or isn't musical all they can tell you is what THEY consider musical.

Self-evident.<br>This is not the forum to have a discussion on speed playing, the responses will be mostly negative and made by most people that can't do it in the first place.

In my last band ("urban country"), I frequently played 16th/32nd note bass runs to "fill gaps" in the mix.  Looking back, I was just showing off.  I would play the gig much differently today.  Please check your assumptions.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Crow</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: How Slow Can You Play A Scale?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 19:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a bit with Ande on this whole speed thing, sure speed doesn&#039;t mean musical but it doesn&#039;t mean NOT musical either and it always seems that you are either on one side of the fence or the ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I'm a bit with Ande on this whole speed thing, sure speed doesn't mean musical but it doesn't mean NOT musical either and it always seems that you are either on one side of the fence or the other and most members here aren't into metal or some of the genres that use speed quite a bit so the responses tend to be on the negative side about speed.<br><br>But I think that there is a bit more to it than that. I'm sure if you went to a metal forum no one would be dissing you cuz you play fast so what does that mean.<br><br>So it comes down to a matter of opinion those that do and those that don't, but one thing that I have found very rarely is someone that can actually shred but says they  don't sound musical so they don't do it anymore. <br><br>So some of the dislike for shredding to me comes from a subconcious realization that the person that says playing fast isn't musical are saying those things because they can't.<br><br>The reality is anything can be musical no matter what speed it's at, it's all in the ears of the listener, not one is going to tell you what is or isn't musical all they can tell you is what THEY consider musical.<br><br>This is not the forum to have a discussion on speed playing, the responses will be mostly negative and made by most people that can't do it in the first place.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: How Slow Can You Play A Scale?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 18:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Which comes first, though- well, for me, all comes slowly. And to do it right, it all really comes at the same time. Every day, I do some speed work. I do some theory. I listen to a bunch of...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Which comes first, though- well, for me, all comes slowly. And to do it right, it all really comes at the same time. Every day, I do some speed work. I do some theory. I listen to a bunch of stuff. Do some ear training...developing musicality is a part of ALL of this...a slow, immeasurable part, but in there somewhere.

That's what I'm trying to get at.  You have stated it in a much more positive way than I did.  :oops: <br><br><I>But...</I><br>The thing I fail to understand is this. I work on all of those things. If I have a question about theory, I'll post it and get thoughtful insightful answers from y'all. <br><br>If I have a question or a thought about speed, some of youse will just rip on it and assume that it's the only thing I practice or care about.

...none of this is personal.  I don't assume anything about anyone's musicianship based on these posts.  I stayed out of the "how fast can you play a scale" thread because I have no interest in comparing metronome speeds with anyone.  In fact I just now read through that thread for the first time, and I was glad to see that other people made the point that speed is not the ultimate measure of musicianship, because that point needs to be made -- if not for you, then for less experienced players who just want to make their fingers go real fast.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Crow</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: How Slow Can You Play A Scale?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 01:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[My question is, which comes first? For many players, speed is clearly the paramount virtue, rather than musicality. I don&#039;t like those players -- don&#039;t like to hear them, don&#039;t like to share...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[My question is, which comes first? For many players, speed is clearly the paramount virtue, rather than musicality. I don't like those players -- don't like to hear them, don't like to share a stage or a practice room with them.

I hear you, Crow. Just because it's fast and loud doesn't mean it's music.<br><br>Which comes first, though- well, for me, all comes slowly. And to do it right, it all really comes at the same time. Every day, I do some speed work. I do some theory. I listen to a bunch of stuff. Do some ear training...developing musicality is a part of ALL of this...a slow, immeasurable part, but in there somewhere.<br><br>The thing I fail to understand is this. I work on all of those things. If I have a question about theory, I'll post it and get thoughtful insightful answers from y'all. <br><br>If I have a question or a thought about speed, some of youse will just rip on it and assume that it's the only thing I practice or care about.<br><br>Don't you practice dexterity/speed? Don't most? Bluegrass, Jazz, Metal, Classical...even styles that we don't think of as speedy are pretty fast for beginners.<br><br><br>Best,<br>Justin]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Ande</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: How Slow Can You Play A Scale?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 19:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Interesting. Once I read it was very important to practice both limits, upper and lower, fast and slow practice (I didn&#039;t remember where I did it). Perhaps it is easier to play faster to me....]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Interesting. Once I read it was very important to practice both limits, upper and lower, fast and slow practice (I didn't remember where I did it). Perhaps it is easier to play faster to me. I can play comfortably at 50-60 bpm. When I go under that value I start to fail. And I think I am able to play slower with the bass than with the guitar.]]></content:encoded>
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