https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/ Guitar Noise Discussion Board en-US Thu, 04 Jun 2026 21:14:28 +0000 wpForo 60 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/paged/3/#post-230566 Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:29:49 +0000 chimey. I guess that's the nub of it. 'Chimey' fits what I'm hearing just fine too, but leaves me at a loss to imagine the difference between the two... I think I follow the theory you outlined, but I can't hear it in my head :)]]> Guitar Players Discussion Misanthrope https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/paged/3/#post-230566 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/paged/3/#post-230540 Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:08:10 +0000
:D :D :D

vic I gotta go there ..... someday.... damn!

Bob Jessie]]> Guitar Players Discussion clideguitar https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/paged/3/#post-230540 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/paged/3/#post-230520 Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:14:28 +0000 Long story short: if I tune my guitar up a couple of steps it becomes more jangly, as I define jangly (brighter, more pronounced attack, more treble less bass - sounding like you're picking closer to the bridge, but without killing the sustain as bridge-picking does). Nothing changes but the tension and probably a hint of the idiometer effect. I thought I had a handle on the physics behind it, but maybe not... :) ...and you also may be playing it slightly differently, or may not. I feel as if I can play harder on a higher tension setup, and that definitely affects the timbre.

Jangly for me is:

generally clean (amp)
Bright
"Loose", complex and even slightly dissonant (timbre)

OTOH,

What you are describing, I would call chimey.

So we may not be thinking of exactly the same thing, especially when it comes to my last point. I think jangly sounds a little dissonant, even on a well tuned guitar. Ignoring tempered tuning -- which really is dissonant anyway -- I'm am pretty sure the dissonant/consonant timbre is determined by where particular harmonics land as multiples of the fundamental freq, e.g., at those ideal 2, 3, 4, 5 multiples or more likely something like (making these up) 2.001, 3.05, 4.00077 and 5.0000001. And of course it is important how much harmonic energy falls on the even multiples (2, 4, 6 ...) and thus is musical, and how much is falls in the odds and is a bit amusical. Also, this is not steady state, the freqs and levels of the fundamentals and harmonics change from the time of the strum/pick through the release. It's easy to see this on a good tuner. On a strobe tuner, one can see that the various octaves are not always in tune when the fundamentals are.

So here we disagree: All other factors remaining the same, as tension rises, I think a guitar will sound more tonally pure or more chimey and less jangly. But that does not mean I think scale length is primary in this whole jangly discussion.]]> Guitar Players Discussion gnease https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/paged/3/#post-230520 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/paged/3/#post-230518 Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:07:32 +0000 Guitar Players Discussion DemoEtc https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/paged/3/#post-230518 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/paged/3/#post-230513 Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:52:13 +0000
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I get all GASsy whenever I see that one.]]> Guitar Players Discussion Ricochet https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/paged/3/#post-230513 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/paged/3/#post-230478 Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:54:12 +0000
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Long story short: if I tune my guitar up a couple of steps it becomes more jangly, as I define jangly (brighter, more pronounced attack, more treble less bass - sounding like you're picking closer to the bridge, but without killing the sustain as bridge-picking does). Nothing changes but the tension and probably a hint of the idiometer effect. I thought I had a handle on the physics behind it, but maybe not... :)]]> Guitar Players Discussion Misanthrope https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/paged/3/#post-230449 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/paged/3/#post-230428 Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:04:26 +0000
'Course, a Rick 12-string would've sounded even 'janglier' through that same amp.

With fresh strings you could probably dupe 'jangly' with just about anything except maybe some big hollowbody jazz guitar with flatwounds and a single (neck) pup.

You could probably do 'jangly' 60s type Brit invasion stuff with a Danelectro 12-string and a clean setting on a little combo. They were using what was available back then as far as amps; Fenders, Magnatones, Magnavoxes, Voxes (with the treble boost of course), Standels; all amps trying to produce a clear, loud, clean sound; almost hi-fi to use the old term.]]> Guitar Players Discussion DemoEtc https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/paged/3/#post-230428 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/paged/3/#post-230422 Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:49:58 +0000 Guitar Players Discussion slejhamer https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/paged/3/#post-230422 https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/paged/2/#post-230417 Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:33:37 +0000 does equal sustain, that much is physics. Lower the tension in one of your strings by tuning it down an octave and see what sort of sustain you get out of it then :wink: That's a pathological example (highly non-linear) -- and I suspect you know that. Problem with invoking physics is it sounds definitive, but this is all a lot more complicated than the various simple harmonic motion equations because of the fairly non-linear, abrupt start-up conditions ("the strum") and the modal complexity of the vibrational system ("la axe").
If one of the other criteria you mention impacts sustain, that's despite the extra tension. I suppose I should have said "all other things being equal", but hey, live and learn. :)

The situation is this: the change in tension to compensate a 3% scale length difference is small enough (a bit over 6%) to be a lesser factor when compared to all these other construction differences, UNLESS the lower tension allows nonlinear effects to occur (buzzing, rattling). Then all bets are off. We don't want buzzy guitars, do we? They may be harmonically rich, but not in a good way unless we are doing the sitar sim.
As for high harmonic content, that's a good point. It's an assumption on my part that high harmonics comes in part from sustain.

Not true. Sustain is determined by the amount of energy dissipated (lost) per vibrational cycle. That energy may be stored in the fundamental or the harmonics -- doesn't matter. Some mechanisms for generating harmonics will sap sustain.


Okay -- enough pedantic crap: Maybe we should agree on what Jangly means. Not sure we are all thinking the same thing.]]> Guitar Players Discussion gnease https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/jangly-guitars/paged/2/#post-230417