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                        <title>RE: learning the fret board</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[thanks for all the help/links guys some real good information there. After a couple of days of pouring over it, I am not sure what was so hard in the first place.  Guess I was just approachi...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[thanks for all the help/links guys some real good information there. After a couple of days of pouring over it, I am not sure what was so hard in the first place.  Guess I was just approaching the subject from the wrong direction.<br><br><br>I can see with most things it may come down to a matter of preference or opinion.  Reminds me of one of my professors.  Whenever there was a big exam, or any exam for that matter, there were always people who would ask what is going to be on the test.  I guess after being asked so many times he would impart his wisdom about learning--it went something like this (paraphrase): <br><br>Its never a question of what you need to know but how much can know.  <br><br>I think his point here was that never ask how much you need to know because obviously you need to know as much as you can possibly retain in order to be prepared for any situation and to be all around "knowledgeable" about the given subject, not to just be able to pass some exam.  I had this professor several times in my studies and have never forgotten his words.  It has never failed me in practice either.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Kaizer SzozÃ©</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: learning the fret board</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve since discovered that there&#039;s at least one respected musician who makes his living selling exactly the same insights that I worked out back then (I confirmed it by writing to him and ex...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I've since discovered that there's at least one respected musician who makes his living selling exactly the same insights that I worked out back then (I confirmed it by writing to him and explaining how I saw it).

You actually wrote to the famed Australian Barry Gibb?

 :D <br><br>Different guy.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Chris C</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: learning the fret board</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve since discovered that there&#039;s at least one respected musician who makes his living selling exactly the same insights that I worked out back then (I confirmed it by writing to him and ex...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I've since discovered that there's at least one respected musician who makes his living selling exactly the same insights that I worked out back then (I confirmed it by writing to him and explaining how I saw it).

You actually wrote to the famed Australian Barry Gibb?]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>clockworked</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: learning the fret board</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Lots of different lessons on this site.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Lots of different lessons on this site..<br><br><a href="http://www.musictheory.net/">http://www.musictheory.net/</a>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>ldavis04</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: learning the fret board</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[It&#039;s good to have a general working knowledge of the neck, but I haven&#039;t yet found any real reason to know instantly what the name of any particular position is. 

Well, when improvising it ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[It's good to have a general working knowledge of the neck, but I haven't yet found any real reason to know instantly what the name of any particular position is. 

Well, when improvising it doesn't really work if you need a minute to figure out where the notes of a Bbdim are exactly, you'll need to know it. Maybe people differ but IMH experience improvising doesn't go nowhere unless I know what the backing is doing and where I can find those notes on the guitar.

Exactly. That's why I say learn the fretboard with a purpose in mind, not just as a series of names in line along a string. I don't say that it's not necessary to know the note names, just that it's not usually necessary to know the<I> name</I> of all the positions instantly.<br><br>Maybe others differ, but if I want to find a bunch of notes quickly - and when I'm improvising I need to know how to find a hell of a lot of notes very quickly indeed - I don't mentally start reeling off note names and comparing them with a mental map of the whole fretboard. (Perhaps others do?)<br><br>Instead I use a different type of 'mental map'. This one tells me where notes are in relation to each other and relative to my starting point. If I start on any note I know what lies to the left and right, and above and below, musically speaking that is. I don't really even care all that much what they're called by that stage of the game, so long as I know where to find the important notes in my musical scheme.<br><br>Before I even started to learn to play the guitar I spent a fair bit of time staring at a map of the fretboard and highlighting various aspects and arrangements of notes - trying to understand why a guitar was laid out and tuned that way. What I learned gave me an understanding that I now find a lot more useful than just being able to point to a position and say 'that's an F#' or whatever.<br><br>Perhaps it's easy to dismiss that as fanciful, or missing the point, but I've since discovered that there's at least one respected musician who makes his living selling exactly the same insights that I worked out back then (I confirmed it by writing to him and explaining how I saw it). So I'm happy that it works and that - at least for me - it's the most useful way of 'seeing' the fretboard. :)<br><br>I guess that's one of the great things about music - we all have our own way of seeing it, and our own style of playing.  :wink: <br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Chris]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Chris C</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: learning the fret board</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Kaizer:I learned the guitar ten years ago and the following site (one of the pioneers in the internet related of the guitar) has been really helpful to me in order to learn the fretboard. An...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Kaizer:<br><br>I learned the guitar ten years ago and the following site (one of the pioneers in the internet related of the guitar) has been really helpful to me in order to learn the fretboard. And yes, you have to know all the notes after all!!<br><br>Enjoy!<br><br><a href="http://www.essentialguitar.com/">http://www.essentialguitar.com/</a>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: learning the fret board</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[It&#039;s good to have a general working knowledge of the neck, but I haven&#039;t yet found any real reason to know instantly what the name of any particular position is. 

Well, when improvising it ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[It's good to have a general working knowledge of the neck, but I haven't yet found any real reason to know instantly what the name of any particular position is. 

Well, when improvising it doesn't really work if you need a minute to figure out where the notes of a Bbdim are exactly, you'll need to know it. Maybe people differ but IMH experience improvising doesn't go nowhere unless I know what the backing is doing and where I can find those notes on the guitar.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Ignar Hillström</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: learning the fret board</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[It&#039;s certainly handy to be able to find out reasonably quickly, but that&#039;s pretty easy anyway - just count up from the open E, A, D, G, B, E. 

Just to add something that makes that even qui...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[It's certainly handy to be able to find out reasonably quickly, but that's pretty easy anyway - just count up from the open E, A, D, G, B, E. 

Just to add something that makes that even quicker.<br><br>The neck pattern repeats exactly from the 12th fret (with the two dots) so the 12th is obviously also E,A,D,G,B,E.  And because of the way the guitar is tuned, it doesn't take much work to spot that the notes at the 5th fret are A,D,G,C,E, A. <br><br>So if you know those (and most players pretty much know most of that already) then you're never more than 1, 2 or at the most 3 frets from the answer to any other position. Just count either up or <I>back down</I> a string from the ones you know.<br><br>But, as I said, knowing all the names in 'line order' is of fairly limited value. What you really want to know is how they relate to each other musically. And the best way to learn that is in the context of some real music - working out songs, chords, scale patterns for solos, or whatever it is you're really trying to get the hang of.<br><br>As jason brann said, after a while it just seems to fall into place naturally through usage.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Chris C</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: learning the fret board</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[here is the best and simplest lesson i know oWOw, I just watched a bucnh of his videos. Amazing.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[here is the best and simplest lesson i know of<br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_IL8zzDXwE">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_IL8zzDXwE</a>
WOw, I just watched a bucnh of his videos. Amazing.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: learning the fret board</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[i just kinda played whatever until a kind of grid started showing up in my mind.  there are a few of them now, and you can just remember where the roots or whatever are, and the rest comes n...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[i just kinda played whatever until a kind of grid started showing up in my mind.  there are a few of them now, and you can just remember where the roots or whatever are, and the rest comes naturally.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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