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                        <title>Re: Scales, Scales, Scales.....</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/scales-scales-scales/paged/3/#post-352469</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 05:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Only a click away......I do that to some modes too, but I don&#039;t get along with modes too nicelyThat&#039;s the way I started too Parker....one pattern at a time.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Only a click away......I do that to some modes too, but I don't get along with modes too nicely<br><br>That's the way I started too Parker....one pattern at a time.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>tinsmith</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: Scales, Scales, Scales.....</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 03:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been doing the Minor Pentatonic, pattern 1 and the Blues Scale that goes sort of with it this past week. I think I&#039;ll identify what the pattern of the Blues Scale would be based on the ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I've been doing the Minor Pentatonic, pattern 1 and the Blues Scale that goes sort of with it this past week. I think I'll identify what the pattern of the Blues Scale would be based on the next pattern of the Minor Pentatonic. Sort of work on them in tandem like that. Slight modification from the plan, but what the heck. :)<br><br>Thanks for the offer, tinsmith. I hope I should not need it, but if I somehow botch it up, I'll come knockin'.  8) <br>Learn Bending Up to the Blue Notes (again very important if ya wanna ROCK)
That's about the only thing I can do decently. I'm working on everything else.  :|]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>rparker</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: Scales, Scales, Scales.....</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 03:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I have blues scale chart somewhere too.....If you like]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I have blues scale chart somewhere too.....If you like]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>tinsmith</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: Scales, Scales, Scales.....</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/scales-scales-scales/paged/2/#post-352427</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 16:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Lots of great info about scales here, ecspecially stuff about &#039;minor pentatonic shapes&#039;, which Should be studied if you want to ROCK! So....Study:   5 minor pentatonic shapes              Ad...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Lots of great info about scales here, ecspecially stuff about 'minor pentatonic shapes', <br>which Should be studied if you want to ROCK! So....<br><br>Study:   5 minor pentatonic shapes<br>              Add blue notes (makes Pent into Blues Scale)<br>                Learn Bending Up to the Blue Notes (again very important if ya wanna ROCK)<br><br><br><br><br>Pat]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Gotdablues</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: Scales, Scales, Scales.....</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/scales-scales-scales/paged/2/#post-352390</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 16:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hi Roy!I would suggest you learn all five major/minor pentatonic shapes. This is a good starting point, and from there you can learn how to &quot;add notes&quot;; sharp/flat/natural to build all major...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Hi Roy!<br><br>I would suggest you learn all five major/minor pentatonic shapes. This is a good starting point, and from there you can learn how to "add notes"; sharp/flat/natural to build <I>all </I>major scale shapes as well as both the "major" and "minor" modes (by adding 4s/7s and 2s/6s respectively). Of course, this is not my idea, but it comes from a swedish fellow by the name of Dan Lundholm. He has a really good web-site, where this is all explained (in much greater detail): <a href="http://www.spytunes.com">http://www.spytunes.com</a> (hope I donÂ´t break any "rules" of this forum by refering to another site. If so, I guess the admins will remove my post).<br><br>IÂ´ve been learning stuff from this site for the past two years or so, and I really like the "concept"! ItÂ´s one of my two favourite guitar learning sites (the other one being Guitar Noise of course  :mrgreen: - theyÂ´re both great in their own ways, me thinks).<br><br>Best regards,<br>/Staffan]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Staffan</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: Scales, Scales, Scales.....</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 02:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[yup, maj6th and min3rd (or 6th and b3rd), perfectemundo (sp?)  :wink:]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[yup, maj6th and min3rd (or 6th and b3rd), perfectemundo (sp?)  :wink:]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Scrybe</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: Scales, Scales, Scales.....</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 01:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[so.....from Major to Minor, the relationship is the 6th. From Minor to major the relationship is flat3rd?Si?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[so.....from Major to Minor, the relationship is the 6th. From Minor to major the relationship is flat3rd?<br><br>Si?]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>tinsmith</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: Scales, Scales, Scales.....</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[This is a lot of information to chew on. I did put together a word doc with a bunch of patterns and notes. I&#039;ll complete it when I have more time. I have decided to combine a lot of the advi...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[This is a lot of information to chew on. I did put together a word doc with a bunch of patterns and notes. I'll complete it when I have more time. I have decided to combine a lot of the advice and wisdom found in this thread. <br><br>To start with, I will continue my pattern 1 Minor Pentatonic Scale and also use the Blues Scale whenever I think it works. These kind of just plain fit nicely together. An easy and logical step. I will also learn a Major scale pattern. Why? No good reason other than I just have it ingrained in my head that it's a really basic building block and that I should know it. I'm using the one found in the lower graphic I saw in Greybeard's scale page. (thanks again, GreyBeard!)<br><br>After I can do the Blues and Major scale, I will finish the pentatonic scales, one at a time and slowly. At some point, I will be able to tie them altogether and hopefully be able to play in any key, anywhere I want. (yes, I'm sure other sets of scales will allow me the same. I needed to pick one set and that was that.)<br><br>And then I'll solve world hunger and come up with a self replenishing energy supply.....]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>rparker</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: Scales, Scales, Scales.....</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Maybe someone could tell me why playing 12-bar blues in G requires a flatted Iv? So, it&#039;s I-IVb-V or F-Bb-C. I see it now all over the place, but do not know why. If I was to say 12 bar in C...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Maybe someone could tell me why playing 12-bar blues in G requires a flatted Iv? So, it's I-IVb-V or F-Bb-C. I see it now all over the place, but do not know why. If I was to say 12 bar in C, it would be I-IV-V or C-F-G.

No, no, no.  Sorry Parker but you got the wrong end of the stick somewhere.  <br><br>12 bar blues (I-IV-V) in G would use G-C-D (or D7).  The key of G has one sharp (F#) and the notes G_A_BC_D_E_F#G.<br><br>In the key of F, you would use F-Bb-C (or C7).  The key of F has one flat (Bb) and the notes F_G_ABb_C_D_EF.  <br><br>C blues of course, would use C-F-G or (G7) and the key has no flats, C_D_EF_G_A_BC.<br><br>Now somehow, perhaps because you're starting with blues which has flat notes, you're getting them mixed up.  <br><br>Here's a table of the basic major and relative minor keys:
<CODE>Key        Minor     Signature      1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th
C  major   A  minor                 C   D   E   F   G   A   B
G  major   E  minor  #              G   A   B   C   D   E   F#
D  major   B  minor  ##             D   E   F#  G   A   B   C#
A  major   F# minor  ###            A   B   C#  D   E   F#  G#
E  major   C# minor  ####           E   F#  G#  A   B   C#  D#
B  major   G# minor  #####          B   C#  D#  E   F#  G#  A#
F# major   D# minor  ######         F#  G#  A#  B   C#  D#  E#
F  major   D  minor  b              F   G   A   Bb  C   D   E
Bb major   G  minor  bb             Bb  C   D   Eb  F   G   A
Eb major   C  minor  bbb            Eb  F   G   Ab  Bb  C   D
Ab major   F  minor  bbbb           Ab  Bb  C   Db  Eb  F   G
Db major   Bb minor  bbbbb          Db  Eb  F   Gb  Ab  Bb  C</CODE>

Now what is probably getting you mixed up is that blues is neither pure major nor minor.  The blues scale is a kind of minor scale (uses a b3 and b7) and also adds the transitory note between 4 and 5 (the b5).  So even basic blues uses all the notes of the major scale (in the chords) and adds 3 more (b3,b5,b7).  The only notes left out are the b2 and b6 and even those might be used by skilled blues players (I'm sure they are all the time).<br><br>In the key of F, Bb is not a flatted 4, it is the 4.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/guitar-players-discussion/">Guitar Players Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>hbriem</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: Scales, Scales, Scales.....</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[yup, I was trying to give Roy more material to use his current patterns on before he learns other fingering patterns.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[yup, I was trying to give Roy more material to use his current patterns on before he learns other fingering patterns.]]></content:encoded>
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