Thought I'd share a discovery I just made with you all - Guitar Players Discussion

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PVTele — Sun, 03 Sep 2006 02:34:15 +0000

Very handy link, Mich - thanks for sharing :D

RE: Thought I'd share a discovery I just made with you all

michhill8 — Sun, 03 Sep 2006 02:23:30 +0000

Well, I can't take all the credit, I was just checking around on this site called http://www.looknohands.com/chordhouse that's where you can find a ton of useful info like this.

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PVTele — Sun, 03 Sep 2006 02:21:12 +0000

It's just a matter of naming conventions, I think, Wes. We're talking about the same thing - in my book the 5th pos pent major is the same box shape as pent min - at any given fret the box is the 5th pos maj or its relative minor in the 1st position. That's just the way I learnt to call 'em, but yes, the tab you show is precisely the scale(s) I was thinking of.

I am sorry - I think I caused confusion when I was trying to help us all avoid it :shock:

michhill8 - it's a lovely sound. I sometimes shift into that pattern at the end of a lick, and it gives a kind of a sad closure to the line. But the relationship with the 11th is fascinating - I'd never looked at it that way... Nice 8)

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Wes Inman — Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:42:06 +0000

PVTele

Maybe I misunderstood. I thought this was what michhill8 was describing:



e-------------------------------------9--12- C#, E
b------------------------------9--12-------- G#, B
g-----------------------9--11--------------- E,  F#
d----------------9--11---------------------- B,  C#
a---------9--11----------------------------- F#, G#
e--9--12------------------------------------ C#, E

This is exactly the same box shape as the Minor Pentatonic 1st position. Play it at the 12th fret (or open) and it is the Minor Pentatonic, play it at the 9th and it is the Major Pentatonic.

And now we also know that if you play this same shape at the 7th fret it makes a E11 arpeggio.

This really is good to know, it is a colorful scale to use over an E chord. Thanks michhill8 !!

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PVTele — Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:32:14 +0000

Sorry guys :oops: You two sorted it out while I was posting that! 7th fret makes perfect sense, of course!

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PVTele — Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:30:25 +0000

Sorry Wes - don't mean to muddy the water, but wouldn't that be Emaj pent 5th position - if it were a 1st position, wouldn't it be C#min? Which one it is depends on whether you resolve the scale to C# (9th fret 1st string) or E (9th fret G string / 12th fret 1st string)...

Or am I missing a gear somewhere :? D (Don't mean to be smart, only trying to clarify...)

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Wes Inman — Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:19:20 +0000

That makes a difference. :D

Let's see, that would be B (5th), D (flat 7th), E (Root), F# (9th), and A (the 11th).

I think you are right. 8)

Another way to play an E11 arpeggio is simply hold a barre over strings 1-5 at the 7th fret. Then you simply pick each string one at a time (including the open bass E string). E, E, A, D, F# B.

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michhill8 — Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:05:57 +0000

oops, I said that wrong, I'll go back and fix it, I meant to say the 7th fret.

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Wes Inman — Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:01:08 +0000

Hmmm....

If you are playing in E and you go to the 9th fret and play the Minor Pentatonic box scale 1st position, you are REALLY playing the E Major Pentatonic scale 1st position. This will have a Country flavor.

Thought I'd share a discovery I just made with you all

michhill8 — Sun, 03 Sep 2006 00:40:20 +0000

Need something to spice up your soloing? Try this! You can easily play an 11 chord arpeggio with a similar shape we already know. Take the root of any A-shaped barre chord (the one on with the root on the 5th string) for example C would be at the third fret, then you just drop it down to the 6th string, and play your standard minor pentatonic box shape. The notes played will correspond to the notes that make up an 11th chord.

For example, I want to play over an E progression. I will just go to the 7th fret on the low E string, and play the standard pentatonic minor shape to give it a different sound.

So its the same shape, but if you want you can add one more note, on the 2nd string you can add the 3rd of the chord by using your ring finger. <--- hopefully that last part makes sense.

Anyhow, just wanted to share with you all.