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                        <title>RE: Bleed Through phase effect?</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/bleed-through-phase-effect/#post-103845</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 06:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Not necessarily either. The physical position of the pickups means that the signal itself will be unique to the position on the string. Although the frequencies may be similar or even identi...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Not necessarily either. The physical position of the pickups means that the signal itself will be unique to the position on the string. Although the frequencies may be similar or even identical, the waveform may be entirely different because that section of the string is producing different harmonics and or frequencies as the other coil is picking up, due merely to pickup position.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Bleed Through phase effect?</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/bleed-through-phase-effect/#post-103686</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2005 11:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[This is because, even though the humbucker is capturing the same sound, the two pickups are not actually recieving the exact same signal. The reason it works is because the hum is the only c...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[This is because, even though the humbucker is capturing the same sound, the two pickups are not actually recieving the exact same signal. The reason it works is because the hum is the only constant between the two pickups. So, the hum can be successfully cancelled out whereas the string signal varies between the pickups enough that sound will be produced.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Bleed Through phase effect?</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/bleed-through-phase-effect/#post-103512</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2005 11:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[A phase switch and polarity switch are essentially the same thing. They reverse the polarity or phase of the waveform. No Idea what a phase splitter is. Look at thistwo waves are 180degrees ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[A phase switch and polarity switch are essentially the same thing. They reverse the polarity or phase of the waveform. No Idea what a phase splitter is. <br><br>Look at this <a href="http://www.freewebs.com/hueseph/walters.htm">http://www.freewebs.com/hueseph/walters.htm</a><br><br>When two waves are 180degrees out of phase the result will be a cancellation of the frequencies. This is the principle which humbucking pickups are based on.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Bleed Through phase effect?</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/bleed-through-phase-effect/#post-100832</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2005 04:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[forrok_star are you out there? Maybe you could give some insight onto this.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[forrok_star are you out there? Maybe you could give some insight onto this.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Bleed Through phase effect?</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/bleed-through-phase-effect/#post-100830</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2005 04:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Once the &quot;smearing&quot; and &quot;bleed&quot; enter the final mix, you will not be able to discern where it is coming from, whether the bleed is in the drums or the guitar or the vocals. It will not be di...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Once the "smearing" and "bleed" enter the final mix, you will not be able to discern where it is coming from, whether the bleed is in the drums or the guitar or the vocals. It will not be discernable. That is why I believe you can achieve this sound with a good delay and a good multiverb. You want to recreate the interaction of the tracks once in the mix. Solo each track and you might find the sound unimpressive but once added to the mix, the interaction of the tracks and I imagine you would get a very natural chorusing sound along with some nice room verb. If you could employ 4 delay units running to different channels of a single or a couple of good reverb units, you should be able to simulate the sound you are wanting to hear.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Bleed Through phase effect?</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/bleed-through-phase-effect/#post-100672</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2005 07:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I still think you can achieve this with a good stereo delay or a battery of stereo delays and a muliverb(s). Once it enters the mix, the final output will not be something where you could ne...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I still think you can achieve this with a good stereo delay or a battery of stereo delays and a muliverb(s). Once it enters the mix, the final output will not be something where you could necessarily discern the porcess that was used. If you wanted to you could apply a chorus to the delayed ouputs only and not to the direct signal. That would keep the integrity of your direct sound. The "bleed through" will not be distinguishable in the mix. It will simply sound like room verb.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Bleed Through phase effect?</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/bleed-through-phase-effect/#post-100663</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2005 06:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[When recording an acoustic drumset,&quot;most&quot; engineerswould employ a series of noisegates. This along with good cardioid microphones to provide as much off axis rejection as possible, helps to ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[When recording an acoustic drumset,"most" engineerswould employ a series of noisegates. This along with good cardioid microphones to provide as much off axis rejection as possible, helps to lessen any unwanted phasing. <br><br>In a case where you are micing several loud instruments at the same time, you need to use physical barriers (gobos aka go-betweens) Usually a portable wall covered in absorbative material. Often in a pro studio there will be several isolation boothes in order to gain the best seperation of sound. <br><br>It's hard to describe phase without a diagram. Best shown with a sine wave. Peaks and valleys where when two sine waves meet at a peak they are said to be in phase but when they meet, one at a peak and one at a valley theyare out of phase. If these signals happen to be at similar frequencies this can result in a decline in amplitude. <br><br>I still think that you can achieve your sound with effects. Try this if you have outboard effects. Send your mic'd signal to a stereo delay box. sSet your delay to a short time say 60milliseconds with a moderately long decay say of 250milliseconds send the right output to one reverb unit and the other output to another reverb unit.  send thes to two channels on your mixer. This should give you a very similar effect to what you are achieving with your 15 mics.  You will not get much phasing if any at all but you can acheive that with a <U><B>mild</B></U> chorus effect.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Bleed Through phase effect?</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/bleed-through-phase-effect/#post-100653</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2005 05:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Just as a side point there is the alesis multiverb (also the quadraverb) which has settings that try to emulate different rooms by layering reverbs albeit in stereo only.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Just as a side point there is the alesis multiverb (also the quadraverb) which has settings that try to emulate different rooms by layering reverbs albeit in stereo only.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Bleed Through phase effect?</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/bleed-through-phase-effect/#post-100651</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2005 05:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Ah I see. Well you can&#039;t truly recreate that in any program,  though I&#039;m not entirely sure you would want to. Phase can cause as many problems as wanted effects. IE: phasing in general as an...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Ah I see. Well you can't truly recreate that in any program,  though I'm not entirely sure you would want to. Phase can cause as many problems as wanted effects. IE: phasing in general as an effect. Although this can be desireable it can also cause dropouts at different frequencies.  Now I suppose if you were to mic a room with 15 equally distant mics from the source that would be fine. Getting this into a mix might be a challenge in itself unless it is a solo peice or a choir.  With an electric band however I'm sure this would prove to be utterly useless.  I could see you trying this with maybe a bluegrass group or a small acoustic ensemble but again I think it could be more trouble than it's worth. I'm sure it could be done but it would be a week of prep before you even record anything.  <br><br>All this in mind it would be highly dependant on the room. In a grand church or hall with high ceilings and a decent amount of deflecting surfaces (beams,poles, butresses) it would likely make a magnificent surround sound project. Say audio DVD or super audio cd.  Then I imagine you would want to try micing corners and coves.<br><br>re mono source: The master effect should be a stereo effect. I'm speaking from a cubase point of veiw.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Bleed Through phase effect?</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/bleed-through-phase-effect/#post-8764</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2005 05:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[What do you mean by bleed? What I was taught bleed is, is when sound from one track gets printed or bleeds onto another track unintentionally. Usually it is only very faint.  So far what you...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[What do you mean by bleed? What I was taught bleed is, is when sound from one track gets printed or bleeds onto another track unintentionally. Usually it is only very faint.  So far what you've described seems to me to be more like room ambience, in which case this can be simulated with a good reverb. If what you are trying to create is a more live sound, you can set up a master effect and send all of your tracks to that verb. Mix as desired.]]></content:encoded>
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