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									making midi files sound real - In The Studio				            </title>
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                        <title>RE: making midi files sound real</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/making-midi-files-sound-real/paged/2/#post-201556</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I used soundfonts with my SB Live! card (as using VSTs turned out to be a big latency problem) and it was pretty cool. On itself the SFs don&#039;t allow for the variation some of the above plugs...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I used soundfonts with my SB Live! card (as using VSTs turned out to be a big latency problem) and it was pretty cool. On itself the SFs don't allow for the variation some of the above plugs allow for but it does make it easier to work with. With one of my piano songs it took me about 5 minutes to get a decent result with SFs against more then an hour with Steinberg's The Grand2. Eventually STG2 did sound superior to SF (atleast the piano samples I had!) but for working out ideas in a musical way SF would do more then decently. Plus there are tons of (legal) free SFs on the net.<br><br>Mikespe: Could be, but there is more to it. The plugs that come with sequencers are basically free-bees and shouldn't be used to judge the sequencer itself. You can't say that programX is better then programY if you haven't taken the step and got a good quality, commercially-availlable, sample library and test them with both. And don't forget that the better libraries allow for so much performance variation that it would not only require you to learn the sequencer, but also learn both how the plug really works plus you'll need to be able to play keybord well yourself. This is not something you can do in a few weeks and is definitely not something you can judge using demos and freeware plugs.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/">In The Studio</category>                        <dc:creator>Ignar Hillström</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: making midi files sound real</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Greg, have you tried soundfonts?

This is Creative&#039;s tech? No, but I can do some digging on the innards and have a listen. You have experience to share on this?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Greg, have you tried soundfonts?

This is Creative's tech? No, but I can do some digging on the innards and have a listen. You have experience to share on this?]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/">In The Studio</category>                        <dc:creator>gnease</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: making midi files sound real</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I thought this was obvious? The patch is a blanket put over the top of the general midi sound...I may have used the wrong terms but I thought this is what we were all talking about. Everyone...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<br>I thought this was obvious? The patch is a blanket put over the top of the general midi sound...I may have used the wrong terms but I thought this is what we were all talking about. Everyone knows that the GENERAL midi built into everyone's computer is crap. These sequesncers along with their plugins is what we ALL were talking about.

Never assume anything is obvious. You are freely mixing terms, and that makes it difficult to determine how much you understand; plus it's confusing to those who are completely new to this. Not everyone knows the ins and outs of what's being discussed, and I'm sure there are quite a few lurkers. It is very easy to spread misinformation through casual misuse of terms.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/">In The Studio</category>                        <dc:creator>gnease</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: making midi files sound real</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Greg, have you tried soundfonts?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Greg, have you tried soundfonts?]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/">In The Studio</category>                        <dc:creator>Nick Torres</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: making midi files sound real</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[The sequencers I mentioned ARE MUCH better sounding than standard midi.

A sequencer and standard MIDI (maybe you mean General MIDI, the original stardard patch set?) are two different thing...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[The sequencers I mentioned ARE MUCH better sounding than standard midi.

A sequencer and standard MIDI (maybe you mean General MIDI, the original stardard patch set?) are two different things. A sequencer is a timing, mixing and contoller application. Standard (General) MIDI is one set of sound patches that are available to be controlled by a sequencer. It seems as if you are comparing the patches that happen to be included with the demo sequencers to General MIDI. In the fully-enabled sequencers, one chooses <U>whatever</U> sound patches, loops, MP3, WAV etc files one wishes to use. The sequencer is not actually making the sound; it's controlling triggering, timing, overall dynamics, plus adjusting a MIDI sample's other parametrics available for control according to the MIDI standard.

I thought this was obvious? The patch is a blanket put over the top of the general midi sound...I may have used the wrong terms but I thought this is what we were all talking about. Everyone knows that the GENERAL midi built into everyone's computer is crap. These sequesncers along with their plugins is what we ALL were talking about.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/">In The Studio</category>                        <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: making midi files sound real</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[The sequencers I mentioned ARE MUCH better sounding than standard midi.

A sequencer and standard MIDI (maybe you mean General MIDI, the original stardard patch set?) are two different thing...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[The sequencers I mentioned ARE MUCH better sounding than standard midi.

A sequencer and standard MIDI (maybe you mean General MIDI, the original stardard patch set?) are two different things. A sequencer is a timing, mixing and contoller application. Standard (General) MIDI is one set of sound patches that are available to be controlled by a sequencer. It seems as if you are comparing the patches that happen to be included with the demo sequencers to General MIDI. In the fully-enabled sequencers, one chooses <U>whatever</U> sound patches, loops, MP3, WAV etc files one wishes to use. The sequencer is not actually making the sound; it's controlling triggering, timing, overall dynamics, plus adjusting a MIDI sample's other parametrics available for control according to the MIDI standard.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/">In The Studio</category>                        <dc:creator>gnease</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: making midi files sound real</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/making-midi-files-sound-real/paged/2/#post-200688</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Here is a short comp I did with Project 5V2 and Dimension Pro (1.2, I think) - A Morceau in Eb (if it takes too long to load, try refreshing the page). Just your basic flute and piano. I&#039;ve ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Here is a short comp I did with Project 5V2 and Dimension Pro (1.2, I think) - <a href="http://www.myspace.com/fourdevils">A Morceau in Eb</a> (if it takes too long to load, try refreshing the page). Just your basic flute and piano. I've never used any other products so I can't comment on them but, P5 and Dim Pro are all I need right now.<br><br>Not bad for being MIDI and all, IMO.  8)]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/">In The Studio</category>                        <dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: making midi files sound real</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/making-midi-files-sound-real/paged/2/#post-200658</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Head over to the soundsonline.com forum and the samples demo pages to hear what some folks are doing with MIDI and decent samples...I use EWQLSOL Gold myself with Cubase 3.0 (Colossus will b...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Head over to the soundsonline.com forum and the samples demo pages to hear what some folks are doing with MIDI and decent samples...I use EWQLSOL Gold myself (<a href="http://www.soundsonline.com/EWQL-Symphonic-Orchestra-Gold-Edition-pr-EW-160.html">http://www.soundsonline.com/EWQL-Symphonic-Orchestra-Gold-Edition-pr-EW-160.html</a>) with Cubase 3.0 (Colossus will be next), but it's more than just the samples - entire books have been written on getting good quality, realistic midi orchestration. I know the things I've done with the Gold samples sound nowhere as good as some of the pieces I've heard others do. The most important thing to do to avoid robotic midi, is to play the parts on a keyboard or other midi controller and don't quantize, or use a quantization that will allow you to adjust how "hard" the quantization is (usually a percentage - under 50% probably best). Controller channel 11 (expression) is pretty vital too. There's definitely a fine art to it.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/">In The Studio</category>                        <dc:creator>dsparling</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: making midi files sound real</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/making-midi-files-sound-real/paged/2/#post-200463</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[If you do make it a contest, make it a blind test for us schmoes doing the listening please... :wink:]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[If you do make it a contest, make it a blind test for us schmoes doing the listening please... :wink:]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/">In The Studio</category>                        <dc:creator>Misanthrope</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: making midi files sound real</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[It is as real as it gets based on the TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE TODAY

I&#039;m sorry Mike but I still don&#039;t agree. But since this is something that can be settled let&#039;s turn it into a contest, could ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[It is as real as it gets based on the TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE TODAY

I'm sorry Mike but I still don't agree. But since this is something that can be settled let's turn it into a contest, could be a fun learning experience for both of us. You may use any violin in your software and I'll use mine, and the good people hear can vote which one sounds most natural and pleasing. And then I'm even using the low-budget sample libraries which stand no chance against the big boys. All of those libraries are perfectly availlable at any decent music store.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/in-the-studio-in-the-studio/">In The Studio</category>                        <dc:creator>Ignar Hillström</dc:creator>
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