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                        <title>RE: connecting two mixers</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/connecting-two-mixers/#post-215847</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Ok with everythihng you mentioned try this.  Get DI boxes with a link.  You can hook 1 guitar to one box and the other to the 2nd Di then Link out of the second one into the first one, thus ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Ok with everythihng you mentioned try this.  Get DI boxes with a link.  You can hook 1 guitar to one box and the other to the 2nd Di then Link out of the second one into the first one, thus using one channel, and the sound tech has better control over gain, and monitors. just a thought, or just bare down and buy Yamaha's EMX5000-24, great 24 channel powered board, i owned the 12 channel one for a while.  they run about 895]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/">Live Sound</category>                        <dc:creator>leear</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: connecting two mixers</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/connecting-two-mixers/#post-215795</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 06:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t answer the question about the speakers - those belong to our new bandmate, Teresa, and I don&#039;t know the brand.   I think they had a red logo, which makes me think they are JBL, proba...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I can't answer the question about the speakers - those belong to our new bandmate, Teresa, and I don't know the brand.   I think they had a red logo, which makes me think they are JBL, probably 15" passive speakers.  The monitor she has is probably the same brand.  I have a TC Helicon VSM-200P VoiceSolo Passive Voice Monitor.<br><br>I have a powered Gemini monitor that I have used in the past, but I prefer not to lug it around - very heavy.  I would run it out one of the main outs on the front of the mixer.  It seemed to cause feedback as well.  In addition to the monitors, I have started using my guitar amp as a monitor and mic-ing my guitar.  It is much easier to hear my guitar stuff now.<br><br>You are probably right that it is not the best set up, but since we are just doing this for fun, and not making much money at it, I'd prefer not to have to buy an expensive mixer.  If we can work with what I have, that would be best!]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/">Live Sound</category>                        <dc:creator>MoGal</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: connecting two mixers</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/connecting-two-mixers/#post-215793</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 06:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[So, here&#039;s what I see:1. Guitar2. Guitar3. Guitar4. Guitar5. Keys6. Bass7. Mandolin8. Dobro9. Flute10, Vocal11. Vocal12. VocalThen if you mic the drums, I&#039;ll guess at these13. kick14. snare1...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[So, here's what I see:<br><br>1. Guitar<br>2. Guitar<br>3. Guitar<br>4. Guitar<br>5. Keys<br>6. Bass<br>7. Mandolin<br>8. Dobro<br>9. Flute<br>10, Vocal<br>11. Vocal<br>12. Vocal<br><br>Then if you mic the drums, I'll guess at these<br><br>13. kick<br>14. snare<br>15. Hat<br>16 Tom<br>17. Tom<br>18. Tom<br><br><br>Yes, you have 20 channels but 8 of those channels come from being L or R on 1 channel.  This can pose other problems once you have them all hooked up.  It really looks like you have the stuff to rig it to get it done but this is really not the optimal way to do it.  You could most likely be able to put out a much better sonic product with some changes.<br><br>what do you use as far as speakers &amp; monitors are concerned?]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/">Live Sound</category>                        <dc:creator>AdRock</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: connecting two mixers</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/connecting-two-mixers/#post-215784</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 05:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hey, I just got around to checking the forum and boy - I really need to print all this stuff up and study it!  Sorry...I ain&#039;t following all this!To answer your last question, here is what w...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Hey, I just got around to checking the forum and boy - I really need to print all this stuff up and study it!  Sorry...I ain't following all this!<br><br>To answer your last question, here is what we have:<br><br>Our two main guitarists play 2 guitars each, so each of those requires a channel. (Sometimes one or both of us uses a switchbox though to save channels.  That is fine unless one of the other band members doesn't need to use one of our guitars, like for Landslide, when we have three guitars going).  Okay, so let's just suppose that the two of us need 4 channels for our 4 guitars.  Then, we have a keyboard player - that is 5 channels.  Then, we have the bass going from the bass amp through the PA - that is 6 channels.  Then, we have our "instrumentalist" who sometimes plays bass, but other times she may play the mandolin, dobro, or flute.  That is 7 channels.  Then, we have 3 of us who sing.  So, there are 4 microphones on stage.<br><br>The powered mixer we originally bought has 8 channels.  Since we already are needing 10 channels, and that does not include mic-ing drums, then we had to get more from somewhere.  I saw these cheap Behringer ones in the Sam Ash catalog and went ahead and got one at Guitar Center for about $95.00.<br><br>We typically don't mic the drums for live performances, because people complain enough that they can't hear the voices above the instruments.  However, for recording purposes, we will need to mic the drums.<br><br>Also, I forgot that there have been two local moms that have expressed interest in the last couple weeks in joining up with us.  There could be occasions where we bring in more singers/musicians!  So, it looks like we should have at least 12 channels, and with my new mixer, we have 20!<br><br>Now, I guess I need to re-read all the responses again and see if they apply to us!  Not now though - too tired!<br><br>Thanks for all the help guys.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/">Live Sound</category>                        <dc:creator>MoGal</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: connecting two mixers</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/connecting-two-mixers/#post-215774</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 05:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[LOL, Laz, I just looked at their website and realized the same thing.So, MoGal, what is included on your input list?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[LOL, Laz, I just looked at their website and realized the same thing.<br><br>So, MoGal, what is included on your input list?]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/">Live Sound</category>                        <dc:creator>AdRock</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: connecting two mixers</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/connecting-two-mixers/#post-215762</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 03:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[OK, now I&#039;m really confused...I just remembered that you gals are an all-acoustic quartet - what are you doing with 20 channels?Not that more isn&#039;t better 8)]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[OK, now I'm really confused...<br><br>I just remembered that you gals are an all-acoustic quartet - what are you doing with 20 channels?<br><br>Not that more isn't better 8)]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/">Live Sound</category>                        <dc:creator>Dan Lasley</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: connecting two mixers</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/connecting-two-mixers/#post-215745</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 02:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I would agree, run the drums to the small mixer and everything else on the main one.  Basically using the small mixer like a subgroup.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I would agree, run the drums to the small mixer and everything else on the main one.  Basically using the small mixer like a subgroup.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: connecting two mixers</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/connecting-two-mixers/#post-215700</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[run drums on one and everything else on the other.  if you want you can also come out of the outputs on one board into two channels on another, or into the pre amp in.  this is also a good w...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[run drums on one and everything else on the other.  if you want you can also come out of the outputs on one board into two channels on another, or into the pre amp in.  this is also a good way.  and then run it like a 24 channel board]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/">Live Sound</category>                        <dc:creator>leear</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: connecting two mixers</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/connecting-two-mixers/#post-215698</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[As Bish notes, using one mixer for the drums is a clever solution.  At least grouping the channels sanely so that your sound person doesn&#039;t go crazy is good.
Sanity of the sound guy aside, i...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[As Bish notes, using one mixer for the drums is a clever solution.  At least grouping the channels sanely so that your sound person doesn't go crazy is good.
Sanity of the sound guy aside, it makes sense to be able to adjust the relative volumes of each miked drum on one set of controls, and then still be able to control the overall volume of all of them on another control. There's nothing worse than destroying the balance between them when you're trying to eke them all up together just a little.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/">Live Sound</category>                        <dc:creator>Misanthrope</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: connecting two mixers</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/connecting-two-mixers/#post-215696</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[the way you hooked it up sounds correct if you have to do it. There are several places that control the gain.1st.  the gain where each mic is plugged in2nd. the output of the little mixer3rd...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[the way you hooked it up sounds correct if you have to do it. There are several places that control the gain.<br><br>1st.  the gain where each mic is plugged in<br>2nd. the output of the little mixer<br>3rd. the input gain knob of the powered mixer<br><br>The trick is to get the 1st gain setup right without feedback then adjust the output of the mixer and the gain on the input so that nothing is running super hot but you have the gain you need.<br><br>Personally, my opinion would be to sell those 2 mixers and put that money towards one that has all the inputs you need.

I agree with everything except the last.  A 24-channel board is more than twice as expensive as two 12-channel boards, because not as many people use the big ones.  Also, larger boards are less likely to be powered.  Plus you don't have to carry the extra one for smaller gigs.<br><br>As Bish notes, using one mixer for the drums is a clever solution.  At least grouping the channels sanely so that your sound person doesn't go crazy is good.<br><br>Last, the more mic channels you have, the more chance for feedback, no matter what arrangement of equipment.  So it may not be due to the mixers.  Gain distribution is important for noise and distortion, but feedback is based on the total gain, and the number of mics that are active.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/live-sound/">Live Sound</category>                        <dc:creator>Dan Lasley</dc:creator>
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