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Thanks for this link, really informative and interesting.

Glad that you found it useful. :) SOS is a great site for articles and discussions on anything sound related. They also have a forum which can give you a wide divergence of opinions and experiences.

Another of their articles which seemed useful was one about room treatments. It pretty much convinced me that it would be too much of a task for me to want to tackle, but it was still interesting.

The "Bass staircase" file I mentioned above was in conjunction with the article and can be run or downloaded by clicking on the word "MP3" at the second link below. If you play it over headphones the volume sounds even. But when you play it over regular speakers or monitors it will almost certainly sound like the volume is going up and down, as various frequencies either get absorbed or start bouncing off surfaces. In the downstairs room where I'm typing this, the effect is VERY obvious.

Room for Improvement

Bass Staircase mp3

Cheers,

Chris

OK Now you guys are starting to get technical. Interesting stuff. We did our first practice with the cave put back together and the sound was better. There was a change in ceiling shape and carpets added. I certainly did not do it scientifically though. :lol:

OK Now you guys are starting to get technical. Interesting stuff. We did our first practice with the cave put back together and the sound was better. There was a change in ceiling shape and carpets added. I certainly did not do it scientifically though. :lol:
I hear ya!!! All I know was when I moved from a extra bedroom upstairs, down to the celler, I found I could turn off the reverb on my amp... Much more then that, Im lost. :D

We did our first practice with the cave put back together and the sound was better. There was a change in ceiling shape and carpets added. I certainly did not do it scientifically though. :lol:

I think there's probably two good reasons to get 'scientific' about it, but neither apply to me: :)

Mostly I'd be hope to be playing guitar, bass, keyboard and electronic drums all straight down the wire into the computer so the room acoustics won't matter for that. The main mic work would be singing - and my vocals couldn't be made much worse than they already are by any deviations from perfection in the room. :roll: :D

Mixing is also unlikely to be that big deal - I don't think Bob Clearmountain will be asking to borrow the room any time soon, and any small balance issues will be the least of my quality worries.

I think it's a bit like cars. You can buy one for a few grand that will get you around just fine. Double the budget and you can get a really good one. But for the last word in handling and performance you can spend a million and still be looking for more.... Recording rooms seems to have a similar path! :wink:

Cheers,

Chris

I was gonna say ... aren't those fancy gadgets for direct recording and what the deuce do room acoustics matter ... but I didn't want to be offensive. Even though I'll likely never meet you I value your friendship. :D

I just read something in a book I'm reading about room treatments. The writer mentions that some big time pro studios can get upwards of 7 digits for acoustics alone. :shock: :shock:

Forget that.

The author went on to say something to the effect that a few basics go a long way, and that it's especially true for folks who record straight in. He also said that you can get a long ways with just headphones. Cool. He also wrote that if you test your mixes in various places and learn the common adjustments that you always make to them that you'll solve many issues. it just costs a little bit of time. For us hobbyists, time is not money. For the pro, it is. Hence, the expense.

I also wonder how the 80/20 rule plays out. If you spend a couple hundred bucks on materials, test your room and build some acoustic treatments of your own, how much bang for the buck do you get as compared to going from that point to the pro level?

I just read something in a book I'm reading about room treatments. The writer mentions that some big time pro studios can get upwards of 7 digits for acoustics alone. :shock: :shock:

I'm more of a 1 digit budget man myself...

It's likely to be down to whatever I can scrounge around the house - such as raiding the blanket box. I did lash out some pretty big cash for "monitor audio isolation treatment" though.... :D I read that it's bad to have your speakers sitting right on the desk as you can get unwanted..um... you know... thingamies... transferred through the wood. Special stands with sand filled absorbers can be used apparently. So I designed some very effective baffles that are both soft, yet strong and absorbent.

Works like a charm. Patent pending.

I plan to sell them in handy packs like this:

The author went on to say something to the effect that a few basics go a long way, and that it's especially true for folks who record straight in. He also said that you can get a long ways with just headphones. Cool. He also wrote that if you test your mixes in various places and learn the common adjustments that you always make to them that you'll solve many issues. it just costs a little bit of time. For us hobbyists, time is not money. For the pro, it is. Hence, the expense.

I'm with that. I simply don't need pro studio conditions. It's more like a general interest thing than a necessity.

Cheers,

Chris

OK Now you guys are starting to get technical. Interesting stuff. We did our first practice with the cave put back together and the sound was better. There was a change in ceiling shape and carpets added. I certainly did not do it scientifically though.

Fair comment, less yapping from me and back to the playing. :wink:

I bought a set of those monitor stands but you don't want to know what I'm doing with them :lol:

I forgot to look. Was that 2-ply? Only the best people use 2-ply for their monitor energy absorbing objects. 1-ply always leaves you wishing for something that's more able to handle a bigger bottom end.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Nice room and great toys.

Nice toys indeed and this cave dweller is also impressed with the light and relative elevation of the room itself. I do say with those Eleven Racks Chris and Roy have most of us outgunned in that toy department.

I do say with those Eleven Racks Chris and Roy have most of us outgunned in that toy department.
TR, in my case it's simply as I titled that thread. It's like putting lipstick on a hog (or pig, if you prefer). All that toy and no skill to match.

Alternatively, Chris probably said it best. If I might paraphrase, the toys are part of the fun equally as much as the journey is part of the fun.

It would be nifty to do like they did in the movie, The Matrix, and just call the operator and have him program in the skill. Maybe program in the journey as well so you have a memory of that to cherish. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Thanks Nuno. Learning the bass is proving to be more enjoyable than I expected. How's your bass playing going?
Currently I'm not playing any instrument... or I'm not playing in a structured way, I mean, I pick a guitar or a bass and play some already learned songs. But I don't play every day... every week...

Playing bass is very fun. I reached a kind of plateau some months ago and then I turned on guitars. I was learning some concepts on jazz guitars and practicing those weird chords with jazz standards. They sound cool. I was also working on scales, solos and chord melodies. It is fun and more challenging than the bass.

However, I think I understand much better the bass than the guitar, as the role in a band as the instrument. Probably I'd need to play with people. I'd improve and also I'd go out of that plateau.

I have many books about bass and the David's book is my favorite. But it is also my favorite book on theory. You can learn many, many things.