https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/ Guitar Noise Discussion Board en-US Fri, 05 Jun 2026 01:20:42 +0000 wpForo 60 https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/paged/2/#post-358998 Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:51:55 +0000
I think this is VERY exciting news.]]> News JoeHempel https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/paged/2/#post-358998 https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/paged/2/#post-358109 Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:28:04 +0000
My personal belief (getting off topic) is that if we don't destroy the planet before this that some day we will build robots with enough intelligence to build/repair themselves until eventually there are no more humans and robots are all that are left.]]> News cnev https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/paged/2/#post-358109 https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/paged/2/#post-358108 Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:23:37 +0000 News Kroikey https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/paged/2/#post-358108 https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/paged/2/#post-358012 Sat, 14 Aug 2010 02:28:40 +0000
There is a pleasure I get from playing music, from feeling the guitar strings under my fingers and from hearing the sounds come out as I intended them, that can't really be bettered in by putting a computer screen into the mix. Using something like Ear Master Pro software to work on Ear Training skills (which I'm doing quite a bit of at the moment, partly because my injury precludes too much playing or singing), that's a different thing - the computer basically works as a complex quiz master, but I'm still doing the work. Using a DAW to record music, that's useful. But a video game and simulator guitar set up to learn to play guitar? A teacher and regular practice is much more efficient and fun. And regular practice doesn't require owning the latest console.

I just don't see what these games offer that aren't already provided (and often in a less expensive and more user-modifiable way) by pre-existing products. That's the problem I have with it. Conceptually, I think it has little novel to offer, if anything. But I don't think video games pointless in their entirety, just in this application.


As for synths....they exist for two reasons - one is to create novel sounds. As an instrument in their own right. I love some of these synths. The other is to play/manipulate samples or otherwise to emulate real instruments. In this regard, all synths are sorely lacking, though potentially useful. I can get great samples of a Bosendorfer piano for my recording for nothing, whereas hiring a Bosendorfer, good room, good techie, etc., to record one that may or may not get used is something I can't afford. Likewise, if I'm in a cover band doing a range of tunes with Fender Rhodes, flute, timpani, tabla, flugelhorn, and horn section on them, using a synth instead of finding and hiring the necessary musicians has it's advantages. But if I had a choice, I'd go with the real thing every time.

I really think the innovation for computers in music really lies in music recording, novel synth sounds (Rob Papen's stuff is cool, as is the Blofeld synth by Waldorf), and changing the creative set up of live situations. Beyond that, it has a use in Q and A type programmes, like Ear Master. It could also be good for e.g. learning to sight read, tho I suspect the student would find a lot of worth in recording themselves and listening critically to the playback. But I don't see it being better than a good teacher, because there isn't a way to code for taste or opinion.

The key to good music really isn't physical ability, co-ordination, or anything like that, it's in listening critically. Without that, you've got nothing at all, whereas the physical limitations can always be worked around or dealt with. That's why all the great musicians say about the other great musicians "that guy has EARS on him!"]]> News Scrybe https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/paged/2/#post-358012 https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/paged/2/#post-358011 Sat, 14 Aug 2010 01:28:44 +0000 and grew up in a video game world That worlds still here and not going away anytime soon!

I'm well aware of the shortcomings of the format, but it is still a major step in the right direction. There are many reasons to interface learning with an instrument to a computer. I understand if people can't see the future implications or think its unnecessary. I just hope it has a real 6 string guitar and not that link you posted. :D]]> News Kroikey https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/paged/2/#post-358011 https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/paged/2/#post-357993 Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:32:10 +0000
First of all I don't think any simulators a surgeon (never even heard of them using one) or a pilot might use isn't made by Nintendo and has a bunch of blinking lights unless of course the surgeons use the game Operation to practice before they actually take out someones funny bone. OK that was a joke but my point is those simulators are very sophisticted software and it's only used as a small part of their training. They are used as Scybe said because of scarcity of equipment etc. and never replace practicing with the real thing.

My guess that you are also fairly young under 30 for sure and grew up in a video game world and as much as it sounds like a great idea I don't think we are there yet and I still don't see any real advantage other than to maybe to keep the interest of people that otherwise wouldn't play but since guitars are readily avaibale and the games don't provide ANYTHING except blinking lights that you couldn't find anywhere else I don't see this as ever catching on as THE way to learn an instrument.

When the develop software that I can just hook up to my head and then magically wake up able to play guitar I'll buy one for now I only use the games as entertainment.]]> News cnev https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/paged/2/#post-357993 https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/paged/2/#post-357956 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 20:27:41 +0000
I'm not naive enough to contend that GH isn't fun. I just don't see how the fun differs significantly from playing a real guitar. I also fail to see how it is in any way better than playing a real guitar. Further, were it genuinely better than playing a real guitar, then I don't see how it would encourage someone to pick up a real guitar for a lesser experience, and this is one of the strongest arguments posited in defence of GH on music sites like this one.

Beyond that, visual cues are not going to train someone to listen to what they're playing - we're dealing with an audio activity, and relying on visual cues creates a false impression of progress that would be shown to be illusory once the GH fanatic tried to play in a real band where those cues are not present. In that sense, it is really just a step up on playing air guitar. And while there's nothing wrong with playing air guitar for enjoyment, there's also nothing particularly musical about doing it, either.]]> News Scrybe https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/paged/2/#post-357956 https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/#post-357945 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:26:24 +0000
Anyway, I can see the argument "Pickup a real guitar", and I have done. I play at least 12 hours a week for the last two years and haven't picked up GH or Rockband for as much time. However I had a GH/Rockband night two nights ago and its was great fun. I really don't care about what others think, if I find something I can use to further my dexterity/timing/enthusiasm then I'll use it.

It also includes a small 24 key keyboard, but I guess thats pointless in many peoples eyes... How about learning from games in general? If you could learn in a gaming environment then I assure you the goal will be reached several times faster than without. If this was applied to general schooling, or speciality subjects, it would be a god send to students everywhere.

How about we stop training surgeons and pilots on simulators?

I think the arguments against this are pretty weak, but I only posted to inform people, not to argue the pros and cons. I'm just happy the world is moving into a more integrated IT situation.]]> News Kroikey https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/#post-357945 https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/#post-357929 Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:42:13 +0000
Start a band.

Buy band-in-a-box or similar.

Still don't get the supposed USP of using a videogame to do it, beyond maybe some flashy graphics and maybe some guy doing a cheesey voiceover at the end of a tune, like "Way to go rockgod!!" in which case, I'm sure if you bung your guitar tutor an extra couple of bob per week, I'm sure he can do the voiceover for you. And I'm young! And I like videogames!

Sorry, but I don't get this at all. It is in a similar vein to other simulators, but at least they have some kind of a point - you can't afford flying lessons in a real plane or there's no local airspace, so you go with a simulator for a while, or you love to skateboard, but it's raining heavily so you play Tony Hawk Pro Skater that evening instead, but guitar?!? what's gonna happen? you want to play guitar but can't be bothered moving the three metres it takes to reach your guitar so you play guitarhero instead?!? hmmmm.....


oh, and +1 to everything cnev said above.]]> News Scrybe https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/#post-357929 https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/#post-357928 Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:35:59 +0000
None of your examples of the possibilities (like playing scales) need a video game to practice. So what happens when you go play without the game and there are no blinking lights then what? To me this would do the opposite actually take longer to get good rather than to reduce the time. All you introduce is some interim solution like flashing lights to replace what you should be doing in the first place.

I get the impression you are looking for an easy "fun" way to learn guitar and if that's the case I think you are kidding yourself.

As for having a backing track there are plenty around you can grab for free. And if if someone puts out scales or whatever to practice with does that necassarily make this a good method to learn from?]]> News cnev https://guitarnoise.forum/news/rock-band-3-real-guitar/#post-357928