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                        <title>Re: Wow</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 04:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[the only way to be certain of not making mistakes is not to play 

I look at it very differently.  If you&#039;re improvising a lead line, you&#039;re the one creating the melody - so there can&#039;t poss...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[the only way to be certain of not making mistakes is not to play 

I look at it very differently.  If you're improvising a lead line, you're the one creating the melody - so there can't possibly be a mistake!<br><br>There might be sounds you didn't expect, but they're part of your improvised line.  As your ears and technique get better, your expectations better match what happens.  And when you get to that point, you can really start pushing the envelope, including sounds you wouldn't have considered before :)]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Wow</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 01:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Having met Vic and heard him play, it does hearten me to read his posts about the earlier jam sessions, as he is such an excellent player.

Thanks for that, but that&#039;s not how I&#039;d class myse...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Having met Vic and heard him play, it does hearten me to read his posts about the earlier jam sessions, as he is such an excellent player.

Thanks for that, but that's not how I'd class myself - I'd put myself in the "slightly above average" bracket, if that. Good on rhythm, pretty good timing, weaker on lead. One thing I'm not short of, though, is self-confidence - it's better to try and laugh it off if you fail, than never to try at all. There are worse things in life than messing up a guitar riff...and there are better people than me who've done that! Apache, you've heard me play, and you've heard Ray (Darth Ordinary) play - and I think you'd agree, he's a far better guitar player than me. Faster, smoother, slicker, a great ear for music and he can play stuff I'll probably struggle to get close to if I play for another 53 years! Yet....he's not keen on the idea of getting up in front of people at a jam night and playing, even though I reckon he could hold his own in any company. Go figure.<br><br>The first step's the hardest - actually playing with other people. The way it started for me, I was visiting Marilyn in hospital after she broke her hip - decided to call for a drink on my way home. There was a jam session in full swing in the pub, and the songs they were playing were songs I knew. Got talking to one of the guys (Stu, as previously mentioned) who I vaguely knew, and he offered me his guitar to sit in on a couple of songs. Then said, "why don't you bring your own guitar next week? The more the merrier!" So I did......<br><br>Since then, I've got together with various people - including Laz , Babydoclaz and Scrybe from these forums - and always enjoyed jamming with them. And - I've always learned something, too!<br><br>As a certain Mr Hodge once said - "the only way to be certain of not making mistakes is not to play - and that's NOT an option!"<br>I may have slightly paraphrased that, but you get my drift.....<br><br> :D  :D  :D <br><br>Vic]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Wow</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 00:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I too often feel disheartened when hearing others, and sometimes the idea of smashing the guitar seems rather appealing  :twisted: but all I can do is try (well often gritting my teeth and b...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I too often feel disheartened when hearing others, and sometimes the idea of smashing the guitar seems rather appealing  :twisted: but all I can do is try (well often gritting my teeth and banging head against a brick wall is involved too), but when the trying really stops being fun, then that's when it I guess is time to call it a day....<br><br>Having met Vic and heard him play, it does hearten me to read his posts about the earlier jam sessions, as he is such an excellent player.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Wow</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 17:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I won&#039;t even get into the vocals, he&#039;s got to have one of the worst voices I&#039;ve heard but has to sing that song, of course he has to sing it cuz you never know where he is going with the son...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I won't even get into the vocals, he's got to have one of the worst voices I've heard but has to sing that song, of course he has to sing it cuz you never know where he is going with the song.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Wow</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 16:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[He spead it up? Dang, that loses the whole groove. That song is the groove and visa-a-versa. I must agree with you without even hearing it.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[He spead it up? Dang, that loses the whole groove. That song <I>is</I> the groove and visa-a-versa. I must agree with you without even hearing it.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Wow</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 16:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Changed a few of the chords and the whole rhythm of the song. But with him you never know how he is going to play a song in this case besides the chord changes he sped it up and wanted to th...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Changed a few of the chords and the whole rhythm of the song. But with him you never know how he is going to play a song in this case besides the chord changes he sped it up and wanted to throw his own fills etc which normally would be OK but it ended up just sounding like a blues song.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Wow</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 16:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I learned The Pusher by Steppenwolf cuz he said he loved it but when we went to play it he had his own arrangement which was nothing special and refused to play it any other way.
What did he...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I learned The Pusher by Steppenwolf cuz he said he loved it but when we went to play it he had his own arrangement which was nothing special and refused to play it any other way.
What did he do to <I>that</I> song?]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Wow</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/news/wow-7/paged/2/#post-366658</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 15:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Vic funny story and kind of a similar situation with the open mic over here. The guy I talked about runs it and is a control freak. The difference is he also has to be the loudest when anyon...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Vic funny story and kind of a similar situation with the open mic over here. The guy I talked about runs it and is a control freak. The difference is he also has to be the loudest when anyone plays and wants to jump up there no matter what.<br><br>Like you I want the songs to be recognizable but he puts his weird twist on everything and no one knows his "versions". He' seven come over to my house several times to jam but it's always his blues stuff and he NEVER wants to take the time to learn anything we play.<br><br>I learned The Pusher by Steppenwolf cuz he said he loved it but when we went to  play it he had his own arrangement which was nothing special and refused to play it any other way.<br><br>OK I'll keep plugging along.. :)]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Wow</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/news/wow-7/paged/2/#post-366639</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 02:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I am a competitive person by nature always have been and I&#039;m sure I always will be. I don&#039;t take it to the extreme but I don&#039;t like being the worst at anything.

Yep, that pretty much descri...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I am a competitive person by nature always have been and I'm sure I always will be. I don't take it to the extreme but I don't like being the worst at anything.

Yep, that pretty much describes me. I HATE being low man on the totem pole - I'll work my socks off to improve myself. Going back to jamming in the pub, when I first started I stuck strictly to rhythm chords. There was one guy there who's a really good guitarist, and who had the same acoustic songbook as me.....difference was, I knew most of the songs well. He played them like he'd never actually heard them; "Working Class Hero" would be at twice the real tempo, he'd stumble over the words to "Stuck In The Middle With You," and he'd play "Stand By Me" as if the Ramones had written it. Now I know you're pretty much a stickler for learning cover songs note-for-note, whereas I'm a bit sloppier - close is enough. But these were nowhere near, and he was confusing everyone else who actually knew the songs! His competitive nature and my competitive nature clashed frequently....he'd start a song, and I'd say, "Hang on, start again - that's way too fast!" Part of it was that I wanted the songs to be recognisable....part of it was asserting my ego....and I suppose part of it was trying to loosen his dominating influence on the group. It got to the stage where we had a long talk one night, at my instigation - I pointed out that, yes, I knew he started the whole thing going, but there are quite a few of us here now, and we all have different tastes....it's nice to try something new. I enjoyed going to the jams, but I didn't enjoy the "power struggle" and the clash of egos and the rigid conformity and the reluctance to try something new. It'd be nice, I said, if we all suggested a song to learn for next week - we can all work on it, and have a go at that. What I didn't like was the fact we were being used as a backing band for his rehearsal for his Wednesday C&amp;W gig....there's more to life than C&amp;W. Upshot was, after a long alcohol-fuelled chat, we agreed that we're all musicians, and there's room for negotiations re the song list. The other guys had got involved by this time, and although it never got to a nasty/name calling stage, it did get a bit intense. Did I mention I was a shop steward/union representative in a previous life?  That helped - I put forward a reasoned argument, appealed to his sense of fair play, and basically won the day by being charming and persuasive. Well, that and the fact that me and Stu threatened to bring electric guitars and amps in the next week and play heavy rock.......<br><br>We did end up taking electric guitars in.....but played them tastefully. We didn't play anything too loud, and mostly, I'd be playing mine on the acoustic setting and playing rhythm chords, while Stu would be playing fairly cleanly (he never would put much distortion on!) and playing fills, licks and slide guitar. And everybody seemed to enjoy it a lot more - which just proves that democracy does work, as long as some idiot is prepared to put his head above the parapet and be willing to be shot down for a just cause!<br><br>Point I'm trying to make is, USE that competitive streak you've got - you might never be as good as EVH or SRV or (insert guitar deity of your choice here) but that's not important - use those youngsters to inspire you to better yourself. There's no such thing as "I'm too old to change my ways" - I've changed a lot in the last few years, and mellowed a little but without losing that competitive edge. You're still young enough to improve - you just need to focus on what you want to improve. In your case, it's solos (NOTE - NOT solo's!!!!!) - and the only way you'll improve is by playing those solos over and over again till you're note-perfect. Like I said, all the basics are there - I've heard you play, and there are things you can do that make my ears prick up and pay attention, especially on those GN jams....but you can do better. Can't we all?<br><br>So pick it up, plug it in, crank it up and hit those strings like you mean it - and I'm looking forward to hearing some soundbites and possibly full songs.<br><br>Keep rockin' mate,<br><br> :D  :D  :D <br><br>Vic]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Wow</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/news/wow-7/paged/2/#post-366626</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 15:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I hear you Vic nice post. I know I&#039;ve run into similar things at the open mic I go to once in awhile. Over there it&#039;s pretty much all blues so it was never my cup of tea but the guy that run...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I hear you Vic nice post. I know I've run into similar things at the open mic I go to once in awhile. Over there it's pretty much all blues so it was never my cup of tea but the guy that runs it can play the blues but that's pretty much it every time we go down there and play some of the rock n roll songs we know he tries to jump in (he's a control freak) and he always justs mucks it all up. <br><br>I don't know how many times we've played Rock n Roll Ain't Noise Pollution and he tries to jump in and totally screws it up. He truly is pretty much a one trick pony but he does do his one trick very very well.<br><br>I am a competitive person by nature always have been and I'm sure I always will be. I don't take it to the extreme but I don't like being the worst at anything.<br><br>I think for me the one thing I that I am absolutely still unhappy with is my soloing and I know keep talking about it but probably don't do enough practicing though. <br><br>I've played enough with different people know to know I can keep a beat and hold down the rhythm but that's not enough for me it makes me feel incomplete as a player I keep telling my instructor I'd liek to really concentrate on that thne I come in and want to work on ten new songs. I'm my own worst enemy.<br><br>I guess it's all good...it has to be I can't really change anything immediately anway.. :lol:]]></content:encoded>
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