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                        <title>Re: Another fill of GAS</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/another-fill-of-gas/paged/2/#post-366316</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 17:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Chris, you really need to make a note of EXACTLY where that &quot;sweet spot&quot; is. I keep the volume knob on my tele just a touch below the sweet spot - great for playing rhythm, which is what I m...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<br>Chris, you really need to make a note of EXACTLY where that "sweet spot" is. I keep the volume knob on my tele just a touch below the sweet spot - great for playing rhythm, which is what I mostly play when I'm jamming with friends....then just a touch on the volume knob with the liitle finger and I'm slightly louder and a LOT more distorted. You need to get a notebook and write down the exact settings for every tone you like - you'd be surprised how much difference just changing one parameter will make!<br>

Good advice. I've started to take a few notes. Fortunately the rack also allows you to save any settings that you like. There's some user presets that you can over-write with your own tweaks, or you can also save them to the computer, along with any you might have downloaded that other owners have made. Making old fashioned notes is good though, because it's easy to forget just which ones of the many on offer that were good, for what reason.<br>
 They sound good enough to me - I've never been a tone purist, endlessly tweaking knobs and trying the tiniest variations, I grew up listening to Radio Luxembourg on the old medium waveband, with all the whistles, squeaks and whines and fading in and fading out - after that, ANYTHING was an improvement!

I'm pretty much a match for you there! Radio Lux eh... :)  And what was the other one, on the boat - Caroline?<br>
Now, I've got about 5-6 different tones I use so much I know exactly where the settings are on my amp - I could actually find 'em blindfolded, I'm sure. Each tone gets used for specific songs - that I've written - and each of them is easily obtainable to play a song on the radio. Just a question of turning one, maybe two knobs....

Sounds like a very good way to go. When I've had access to amps with multiple built in effects, or software with a heap of stuff modelled I've tended to fiddle aimlessly for a while and then go back to the cleanest setting I can find, or just playing unplugged.  Not sure quite why this rack has changed my attitude to it, but it has. Perhaps perhaps because it's easy to follow and works very well.  <br>
What I would like to do - if and when I can ever afford it again - is buy another Tascam Digital recorder. I did have one, but, stupidly, let it go when I was short of money. Which is pretty much my default state these days. There was a HUGE range of tones and styles on the one I had, but I never had the time or the inclination to explore them fully.

But would you explore them if you had something like that again though?  I've got something a bit similar that I never use now,  that could go free to a good home in N le W. But the downside is the eye-wearing manual study that you have to do in order to figure out all the buttons and menus. I can find the time if I really want to, but the inclination is the hard one to summon up. Wading through geeky manuals and reading settings off small screens palls pretty quickly.  I'll send you a PM with the details anyway, just in case.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Chris]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Another fill of GAS</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/another-fill-of-gas/paged/2/#post-366308</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 03:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[So I rolled back just the volume knob on the guitar a bit. It got a little quieter of course, but also cleaner, which I didn&#039;t expect. I quickly found a sweet spot where I could get a clean ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[So I rolled back just the volume knob on the guitar a bit. It got a little quieter of course, but also cleaner, which I didn't expect. I quickly found a sweet spot where I could get a clean tone when playing with a gentler touch and a dirtier one if I played harder.

Chris, you really need to make a note of EXACTLY where that "sweet spot" is. I keep the volume knob on my tele just a touch below the sweet spot - great for playing rhythm, which is what I mostly play when I'm jamming with friends....then just a touch on the volume knob with the liitle finger and I'm slightly louder and a LOT more distorted. You need to get a notebook and write down the exact settings for every tone you like - you'd be surprised how much difference just changing one parameter will make!<br><br>I'm thinking that maybe it really is time I looked into using pedals - I haven't owned one since I was 17! My very first electric guitar came with a fuzz-box and a wah-wah pedal as freebies....I gave the wah-wah away, kept the fuzz-box for about six months till it broke. It was a freebie, so I wasn't broken-hearted....<br><br>I never thought about tone again till I got hooked on playing guitar again in my mid-40's....and since then, all I've used for FX are the built-in FX on the various modelling amps. They sound good enough to me - I've never been a tone purist, endlessly tweaking knobs and trying the tiniest variations, I grew up listening to Radio Luxembourg on the old medium waveband, with all the whistles, squeaks and whines and fading in and fading out - after that, ANYTHING was an improvement!<br><br>Now, I've got about 5-6 different tones I use so much I know exactly where the settings are on my amp - I could actually find 'em blindfolded, I'm sure. Each tone gets used for specific songs - that I've written - and each of them is easily obtainable to play a song on the radio. Just a question of turning one, maybe two knobs....<br><br>What I would like to do - if and when I can ever afford it again - is buy another Tascam Digital recorder. I did have one, but, stupidly, let it go when I was short of money. Which is pretty much my default state these days. There was a HUGE range of tones and styles on the one I had, but I never had the time or the inclination to explore them fully.<br><br>But till then, I'll be perfectly happy with the Cube 30X - I've got all the sounds I need in there. That amp could've been designed for me - "Hey, let's make an idiot-proof, user-friendly rock'n'roll amp you can use at home".....<br><br>Keep on rockin', and keep on tweakin' - till you find the sound YOU like!<br><br>And good luck with it..................<br><br> :D  :D  :D <br><br>Vic]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Another fill of GAS</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 03:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[like David&#039;s Rock Guitar one
Best rock book I&#039;ve seen. I read it cover to cover and have to re-read a part or two due to forgetting so darned much. Darned medication. Great book though.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[like David's Rock Guitar one
Best rock book I've seen. I read it cover to cover and have to re-read a part or two due to forgetting so darned much. Darned medication. Great book though.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Another fill of GAS</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 01:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[My current rig is much less flexable as well as much less portable.  Lets hear some clips Chris!

The good thing about your rig is that it&#039;s attached to a set of fingers with some talent in ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[My current rig is much less flexable as well as much less portable.  Lets hear some clips Chris!

The good thing about your rig is that it's attached to a set of fingers with some talent in them.  :D  My fancy rig makes some great sounds, but currently has to put up with being fed by my mediocre digits chicken scratching away at the business end of the deal  :roll: <br><br>However, I'm determined to improve this year. I'm even working through a couple of books, like David's Rock Guitar one, and actually doing the exercises instead of just reading and noodling. Although I must admit that noodling is where my heart is...<br><br>There's already a ton of clips of people getting great results from these racks, around the internet. But I guess that sooner or later I'll have to add my own efforts to the pile.   I wrote a song for the SSG last week that I haven't recorded to post there yet, so maybe I'll just do a rough job using the rack. Then I could spend some time later rehearsing, tweaking, improving it via the software etc and see how much better I can make a more polished version.<br><br>Chris]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/">Opinions and Polls</category>                        <dc:creator>Chris C</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: Another fill of GAS</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 22:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Here is a pic of the preamp/processor I am currently using. :mrgreen: I have gone different directions on this one and have almost purchased a similar processor like a Line 6 POD or somethin...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Here is a pic of the preamp/processor I am currently using.<br><br><a href="http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g59/trguitar/100_2050.jpg"><img src="http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g59/trguitar/100_2050.jpg"></a><br><br> :mrgreen: <br><br>I have gone different directions on this one and have almost purchased a similar processor like a Line 6 POD or something, but currently am running old school.  I do use a little CryBaby once in a while and do have some EQ and delay in the FX loop.  The nice thing about a processor like that is all you need is a clean power amp to get your sound.  it could even be the PA.  My current rig is much less flexable as well as much less portable.  Lets hear some clips Chris!]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Another fill of GAS</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/another-fill-of-gas/#post-366257</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 20:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[The Eleven rack has certainly come in for its share of scorn as well as praise! 
I saw very little scorn directed to the 11-R. Some nits here an there. There is some heavy GT-10 bashing. It ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[The Eleven rack has certainly come in for its share of scorn as well as praise! 
I saw very little scorn directed to the 11-R. Some nits here an there. There is some heavy GT-10 bashing. It seems as if GT-10 users and Line-6 users have waged a war. Heck, even GT-10 users argue amongst themselves. Some love the preamps, others hate them. some love the effects, others hate them. <br><br>There's another one that runs about $2k that 11-R users seem to be in a fight with. Axe-FX or something like that. I can't remember and it doesn't really matter. <br><br>Your post was quite timely. I was deciding on whether or not to pursue a switch to the 11-R or to stick with the GT-10 and get the Epiphone P-93 that I mentioned in the other GAS thread. I did  notice two things while I was doing gobs of research on this. One was that someone had gotten into some serious detail and made an observation that the GT-10 input sensitivity was too high and was the reason for some lack of clarity. (The main thing I don't like about the GT-10) The other is that all of the great samples I've been hearing were recorded at volumes I am not quite yet able to handle, but can handle post recording and turned back down. It gets complicated. Long story short is that I did some basic reconfiguation and am getting some better clarity than I was. <br><br>There is also some sort of filtering pedal available that sits in the external effects loops that supposedly reduces the noise. Mayne people on the Boss GT-X forum use this, but it's costly ($210 + depending on configuration needed) and I can't find A/B testing samples anywhere. I've also read in other forums that this pedal is nothing more than snake-oil. Gotta love it.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Another fill of GAS</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 00:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Yeah! sounds like you got a fantastic deal, it would have been rude not to take advantage of it  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Yeah! sounds like you got a fantastic deal, it would have been rude not to take advantage of it  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/">Opinions and Polls</category>                        <dc:creator>Apache</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: Another fill of GAS</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 12:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a good product. amongst the best in that price range when I bought it and probably is still up there. I bought it because of it&#039;s interface and more realistic factory pre-set patches. I...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[It's a good product. amongst the best in that price range when I bought it and probably is still up there. I bought it because of it's interface and more realistic factory pre-set patches. I never use the pre-sets anymore, though. I would like to compare it to the elveven rack someday, and for a while, too. There are a lot of similarities that I suppose are available on most guitar processors. I'm also got some passing curiosity on the Line-6 product that just came out a few months ago and have heard good things out of the Vox units as well. The type of speak I hear from eleven rack users/wannabeusers is that the amp models are the best. That much, I would really like. That, and some distortion/overdrive/fuzz effects that didn't sound garbled straight out of the box. (I need to tweek way too much IMHO)

Since you posted that you have the GT-10 I've been Googling a bit more to see what else is around, and what opinions are about the various bits of kit. The GT-10 seems to cover a lot of very similar ground, and be well liked. As expected there's people who either love or hate just about all the options on the market. The Eleven rack has certainly come in for its share of scorn as well as praise!   I don't think that anybody who buys this sort of gear can rationally expect it to truly replace a really good tube amp, or whatever their favorourite piece of gear is. There will always be folks who maintain that their particular magic box does the trick, and others who staunchly maintain that it doesn't.  :mrgreen: <br><br>The bottom line for me is whether the kit can make some good noises that I happen to like myself, regardless of what the original amps/pedals etc might do. And, for my money, the Eleven does that very well - and I bet your GT-10 does too. I'd be surprised if they're massively different from each other.  I'm never going to have a need to buy the tens of thousands of dollars worth of high performance gear that some performers use, so this is a very good compromise. Heck, I spend most of my playing time being perfectly happy with the sound of an unplugged acoustic.  :wink:  I do get a great deal of enjoyment from buying and fiddling with gear, but the real buzz will always be the music itself - the joy of being able to pick up a guitar and make some music on it. I'd trade any of the gear for more talented fingers any day. But I'm still loving experimenting with my new baby...:wink: <br><br>Chris]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Another fill of GAS</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 18:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Controlling the GT-10 through a PC is sooooooo nice. Boss didn&#039;t have it, but some user wrote an interface to the GT-10 for PC, put a fairly decent skin on it and it works like a champ. It&#039;s...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Controlling the GT-10 through a PC is sooooooo nice. Boss didn't have it, but some user wrote an interface to the GT-10 for PC, put a fairly decent skin on it and it works like a champ. It's always on. <br>Incidentally I just checked the website for the shop I bought the Eleven from. Their price has gone from $800 back up to $1399.00.  
When I saw your post, I figured you'd stumbled on to a HUGE deal. This confirms it. I didn't know what it was originally in aussie-dough. I congratulate you on a job well done. As someone who likes to get an occasional bargain himself, I am impressed. <br>I just Googled the GT-10. Looks like you have pretty nice unit there too Roy.  
It's a good product. amongst the best in that price range when I bought it and probably is still up there. I bought it because of it's interface and more realistic factory pre-set patches. I never use the pre-sets anymore, though. I would like to compare it to the elveven rack someday, and for a while, too. There are a lot of similarities that I suppose are available on most guitar processors. I'm also got some passing curiosity on the Line-6 product that just came out a few months ago and have heard good things out of the Vox units as well. The type of speak I hear from eleven rack users/wannabeusers is that the amp models are the best. That much, I would really like. That, and some distortion/overdrive/fuzz effects that didn't sound garbled straight out of the box. (I need to tweek way too much IMHO)]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Another fill of GAS</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Many congrats Chris. There is a lot of fun in that box: many controls and many different tones and sounds! Enjoy! :D]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Many congrats Chris. There is a lot of fun in that box: many controls and many different tones and sounds! Enjoy! :D]]></content:encoded>
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