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                        <title>Re: Places to download sound clips?</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/places-to-download-sound-clips/paged/2/#post-372156</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 05:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Stickey subject.
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                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Stickey subject.
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                        <title>Re: Places to download sound clips?</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/places-to-download-sound-clips/paged/2/#post-372155</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 05:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Looks like I started a firestorm here.  :D I understand fully that if your proforming for pay, or recording for sale needing rights. But a guy like me, or the many 1000`s out there like me. ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Looks like I started a firestorm here.  :D <br><br>I understand fully that if your proforming for pay, or recording for sale needing rights. But a guy like me, or the many 1000`s out there like me.  Learning how to play, working on some known song, and recording it so he can show friends, and famley how he is doing, or posting up at a place like here looking for input, or just ask advice....... maybe some laws call that stealing as cat said, but what begeaning guitarist starts out learning to play by writing, and proforming his own stuff? I would never learn if that was the case.. at this time I don't have the skills to write anything thats taxing enough for me to further my skills, and also a lot of us don't have local buddy's in music that we can share with in person. Eaven friends and famley tend to be not as close and without email and forums like this we would be stuck going it alone..]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Places to download sound clips?</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/places-to-download-sound-clips/paged/2/#post-372151</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 01:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thanks for the explanation the chances of an artist coming after someone for posting some crappy cover is like 1 in a trillion, sure there may be a law on the books but it would cost them mo...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Thanks for the explanation the chances of an artist coming after someone for posting some crappy cover is like 1 in a trillion, sure there may be a law on the books but it would cost them more than it would ever be worth.<br><br>Kind of like all the other ridulous laws on the books,that never get enforced.<br><br>I'd take my chances.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Places to download sound clips?</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/places-to-download-sound-clips/paged/2/#post-372150</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 00:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[It&#039;s only partly about the money.&quot;Copyright&quot; gives you control, and you exercise that control by giving people a &#039;license&#039; to use the music.  The copyright holder has the right to license:1....]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[It's only partly about the money.<br><br>"Copyright" gives you control, and you exercise that control by giving people a 'license' to use the music.  The copyright holder has the right to license:<br><br>1. Any public live performance (the bars, etc. - that's called performance rights).  This applies to the artist's recording.<br>2. Any print publishing (that's the publishing rights).  This applies to ANY 'printed' version, including internet tab.<br>3. Any covers recorded for distribution (that's called mechanical rights)<br>4. Any use in film or video (called synchronization rights)<br><br>The artist has the right to allow anyone to use their work.  So you could just ask the artist if you could cover it.  But their right to say "yes" may be constrained by other agreements the artist has made; very few artists retain all their rights, because it's not worth it to deal with dozens (or hundreds) of people - they'd rather be writing songs.  They (or their managers) will typically only want to negotiate synchronization rights, where the paydays are big.  The other stuff is pennies a copy, so they'll usually sign away about half their income to somebody else in exchange for them policing the market.<br><br>An artist typically has four contracts - one with their label, which covers only their own version; one with a publisher, who controls any print rights (and usually also hawks the song to other artists, because the publisher will usually get about half of any income that results from a cover they solicit); one with a performing rights organization like BMI, ASCAP, or SESAC that will monitor radio play and bar performances; and one with a mechanical rights organization - Harry Fox is the biggest.<br><br>If you want to record a cover, you're supposed to get a mechanical license.  A hosting website MAY have negotiated a blanket deal with Harry Fox... so maybe you're covered.  Maybe not.  If you want to be safe, you negotiate your own.<br><br>If you DON'T negotiate, there's a "statuatory" rate.  If they come after you, that's what you'll have to pay.  It doesn't matter if you made money - it's a rate calculated on how many copies were made.  You'd be looking at about 9 cents or more per download, depending on the length of the song and how it was distributed.<br><br>I figure it's kind of like speeding...  just about everybody ignores the law.  The ones that get caught end up paying for their tickets.  If you end up with a thousand downloads for a tune under 5 minutes long, the mechanicals would cost you $91.  You're probably not likely to get hunted down, because it's going to cost them money to pursue it.  <br><br>But just like speeding, the faster you're moving, the more likely you'll catch their attention.  If you end up with a million downloads we're talking almost a hundred grand in mechanical royalties, and you'll probably get a certified letter from Harry Fox asking for their due.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Places to download sound clips?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Note I know bars do it and I know some don&#039;t cuz I&#039;ve worked in them. I realize they are all suppose to but what about this posting of a cover?Where there is no money involved I can&#039;t see le...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Note I know bars do it and I know some don't cuz I've worked in them. I realize they are all suppose to but what about this posting of a cover?<br><br>Where there is no money involved I can't see legally what they would go after or even how they could what's the legal precedent as we all know everything is about the $$$ so no $$$ no  problem.<br><br>Am I missing something?]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Places to download sound clips?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 21:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[You bet bars do it.  In many locations you need to get a license to have music and/or dancing in a bar, which puts you on the radar of ASCAP &amp; BMI.All the rights agencies also have audit...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[You bet bars do it.  In many locations you need to get a license to have music and/or dancing in a bar, which puts you on the radar of ASCAP &amp; BMI.<br><br>All the rights agencies also have auditors who go out looking for bars playing their tunes without a license.  I've personally had the experience of playing in a cover band in a bar when an auditor came in, and everything came to a halt until the licensing fee was paid (which the bar owner did right away - we were only off for 20 minutes or so)]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Places to download sound clips?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 21:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I bet alot of bars not only don&#039;t bother but probably don&#039;t even know about it.  A woman I used to work with ran a dance studio and I know she payed ASCAP fees for their recitals.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I bet alot of bars not only don't bother but probably don't even know about it.  A woman I used to work with ran a dance studio and I know she payed ASCAP fees for their recitals.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Places to download sound clips?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I still don&#039;t believe you need permission to play someone else&#039;s song unless there is money involved then technically yea but I&#039;m wondering how many bars do that.These bands authorize their ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I still don't believe you need permission to play someone else's song unless there is money involved then technically yea but I'm wondering how many bars do that.<br><br>These bands authorize their music to be published in books what do they think people will do with them look at them..they are going to play them.<br><br>As long as you're aren't making money it's for your own enjoyment whether or not people see it is irrelevant.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Places to download sound clips?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[i think it comes down to permission to do the song and a certain fee for each block of units sold.  That is why there is less issue with YouTube.  You can&#039;t sell them on there.  I suspect th...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[i think it comes down to permission to do the song and a certain fee for each block of units sold.  That is why there is less issue with YouTube.  You can't sell them on there.  I suspect that because they know there is no money to be made, they just didn't bother to get back to you Dog.  I do know that all clubs and bars are supposed to pay a set fee to cover the bands that play covers in their establishments as mentioned above because there is money made.  It's a blanket license.  These groups want you to play their music.  Thats how it remains popular.  They just want a cut if you are selling it.<br><br>PS My son &amp; I did a cover by a certain artist, put it on YouTube and E-Mailed it to said artist to show it to him.  He said it was great and wanted to see more ..... for what it's worth.  He didn't sue us, he encouraged us!]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Places to download sound clips?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Ok maybe I&#039;m naive but why would you need permission to post a cover song when there is no money involved? If it&#039;s true it doesn&#039;t make sense.I know in a bar they are required to pay somebod...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Ok maybe I'm naive but why would you need permission to post a cover song when there is no money involved? If it's true it doesn't make sense.<br><br>I know in a bar they are required to pay somebody like BMI if cover bands play because someone is making money but if no money is involved I can't see what legal grounds they have.<br><br>If that were true then the music police could bust you if they heard you playing a cover in your basement.<br><br>It's all BS. What would they sue you for and what could they possible get out of it?<br><br>I'd say post away like the other bizillions of people do.]]></content:encoded>
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