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									The difference between a guitar player and a musician. - Opinions and Polls				            </title>
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                        <title>Re: The difference between a guitar player and a musician.</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/the-difference-between-a-guitar-player-and-a-musician/paged/4/#post-381642</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I&#039;d hope that the two went hand in hand! But not always :(]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I'd hope that the two went hand in hand! But not always :(]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/">Opinions and Polls</category>                        <dc:creator>bondmorkret</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: The difference between a guitar player and a musician.</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/the-difference-between-a-guitar-player-and-a-musician/paged/4/#post-381500</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[You mean my ultra fast harmonic minor arpeggio doesn&#039;t actually fit this Beatles song??at 1.45 :P  :lol:]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[You mean my ultra fast harmonic minor arpeggio doesn't actually fit this Beatles song???<br><br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbD7a0IVLHM">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbD7a0IVLHM</a><br><br>Starts at 1.45 :P  :lol:]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/">Opinions and Polls</category>                        <dc:creator>fleaaaaaa</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: The difference between a guitar player and a musician.</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/the-difference-between-a-guitar-player-and-a-musician/paged/3/#post-381499</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[You mean my ultra fast diminished arpeggio doesn&#039;t actually fit this Beatles song??]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[You mean my ultra fast diminished arpeggio doesn't actually fit this Beatles song???<br><br><a href=""></a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbD7a0IVLHM%5Burl">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbD7a0IVLHM<a class="go2wpf-bbcode" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href=""></a>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/">Opinions and Polls</category>                        <dc:creator>fleaaaaaa</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: The difference between a guitar player and a musician.</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/the-difference-between-a-guitar-player-and-a-musician/paged/3/#post-381487</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2013 17:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Boy I leave you guys and gals for a while and all hell breaks lose... just kidding.My point was certainly not &quot;anti-shredding&quot;... shredding is fine if it fits the song. My real point was if ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Boy I leave you guys and gals for a while and all hell breaks lose... just kidding.<br><br>My point was certainly not "anti-shredding"... shredding is fine if it fits the song. My real point was if the guitarist is not playing what works in the song, then they are just showing off and not being a "musician." To go beyond just being a guitarist you have to learn how to play the right parts for the song... whatever style it is.<br><br>And again, let me say it took me years before I got this!!!]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/">Opinions and Polls</category>                        <dc:creator>Honeyboy</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: The difference between a guitar player and a musician.</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/the-difference-between-a-guitar-player-and-a-musician/paged/3/#post-381246</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 02:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure if you asked Vai, Malsteem and anyone else known for their speed to strum a few open chords, they would still be able to do it. I know Vai plays the lead guitar in his songs but he ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I'm sure if you asked Vai, Malsteem and anyone else known for their speed to strum a few open chords, they would still be able to do it. I know Vai plays the lead guitar in his songs but he also composes his songs as well sometimes using full orchestras.
All those guys are heavily into their musical theory, Malsteem would describe what he does as 'neo-classical', so I doubt they'd have any problem with a couple of open chords. That I tend to get bored after the first 30 seconds doesn't mean it's not music or that someone else has to hate it. I always think it sounds like there's an element of jealousy behind this kind of thing, it's a way of saying you don't care that these guys have amazing technique because, after all, what they're doing isn't music anyway. Which is wrong, if you don't care about that being able to do what they do then that's enough, focus on whatever you want to do. If you do wish you could do it then get practicing.<br>(Me, I'm still trying to manage Cream songs...)<br><br>By the way, I've quoted GrungeSunset, but when I say 'you' I don't mean you. I just couldn't bring myself to write the whole post saying 'one'.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/">Opinions and Polls</category>                        <dc:creator>imalone</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: The difference between a guitar player and a musician.</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/the-difference-between-a-guitar-player-and-a-musician/paged/3/#post-381245</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 02:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[So maybe someone doesn&#039;t know which note they are playing at a specific moment...... I actually can still do that and I know the know how of which notes are which...

So can I, and I love pl...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[So maybe someone doesn't know which note they are playing at a specific moment...... I actually can still do that and I know the know how of which notes are which...

So can I, and I love playing with intuitive players, if they are really intuitive and not just wankers.  It's easy to say, "I play what I feel, mahnnnn," and then just... you know.  Truly intuitive players are rare.<br>Learning to be an intuitive musician who can jump straight into playing and feeling a song is way harder.

Absolutely.  That's why those musicians are so rare.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/">Opinions and Polls</category>                        <dc:creator>Crow</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: The difference between a guitar player and a musician.</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/the-difference-between-a-guitar-player-and-a-musician/paged/3/#post-381244</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 01:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I&#039;m always confused on these threads that are against shredding. I always picture someone wailing on a guitar non-stop for the whole duration of a song. However, I never seem to find songs w...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I'm always confused on these threads that are against shredding. I always picture someone wailing on a guitar non-stop for the whole duration of a song. However, I never seem to find songs where this is the case though this could be the fact that I don't listen to that kind of stuff. I once saw a clip at an Alter Bridge concert where Mark Tremonti shredded on a guitar in between songs, kind of like an intermission. While I wouldn't classify this as musical, I wouldn't say it's killing the music as he's not attempting to play a song, he is just showing off his chops.<br><br>I also have yet to find guitarists who can just only shred. Steve Vai comes up a lot and he does and can shred but doesn't always shred. In an interview, he was once asked what the secret to playing fast was, Vai's answer was simply "start slow". With that logic in mind, anyone who can play fast likely started the same place we all started: strumming a few chords, learning scales and finding easy songs to play. I'm sure if you asked Vai, Malsteem and anyone else known for their speed to strum a few open chords, they would still be able to do it. I know Vai plays the lead guitar in his songs but he also composes his songs as well sometimes using full orchestras.<br><br>I'm with previous posters and some examples of guitarists who are purely "guitar players" might help the discussion.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/">Opinions and Polls</category>                        <dc:creator>GrungeSunset</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: The difference between a guitar player and a musician.</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/the-difference-between-a-guitar-player-and-a-musician/paged/3/#post-381243</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 00:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[All I&#039;m trying to say is that music is what you hear - and feel - it should be intuitive. So maybe someone doesn&#039;t know which note they are playing at a specific moment...... I actually can ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[All I'm trying to say is that music is what you hear - and feel - it should be intuitive. So maybe someone doesn't know which note they are playing at a specific moment...... I actually can still do that and I know the know how of which notes are which... learning which note is a "Bb" is easy - you can go online anytime and google "notes on the guitar" - so you can find out easily its not secret knowledge and if you can find that knowledge you can learn it. Learning to be an intuitive musician who can jump straight into playing and feeling a song is way harder.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/">Opinions and Polls</category>                        <dc:creator>fleaaaaaa</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: The difference between a guitar player and a musician.</title>
                        <link>https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/the-difference-between-a-guitar-player-and-a-musician/paged/3/#post-381241</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Lets just say though that some delta blues man didn&#039;t know how to read write, or even know what &quot;Ab&quot; meant - just because he didn&#039;t know that he couldn&#039;t join your circle?;He wouldn&#039;t bother...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Lets just say though that some delta blues man didn't know how to read write, or even know what "Ab" meant - just because he didn't know that he couldn't join your circle?;<br><br>He wouldn't bother to audition.   :lol:]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/">Opinions and Polls</category>                        <dc:creator>Crow</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: The difference between a guitar player and a musician.</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 21:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Lets just say though that some delta blues man didn&#039;t know how to read write, or even know what &quot;Ab&quot; meant - just because he didn&#039;t know that he couldn&#039;t join your circle?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Lets just say though that some delta blues man didn't know how to read write, or even know what "Ab" meant - just because he didn't know that he couldn't join your circle?]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarnoise.forum/opinions-and-polls/">Opinions and Polls</category>                        <dc:creator>fleaaaaaa</dc:creator>
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