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Joe]]> Sunday Songwriters Group Joe https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/another-5th-of-july-week-31/#post-182036 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/another-5th-of-july-week-31/#post-182010 Wed, 07 Jun 2006 03:50:30 +0000
I have to say that when I read this song (and especially after some of the comments) this song: http://forums.guitarnoise.com/viewtopic.php?t=16080 springs to mind. If that is the event then it all makes sense. It can be a fine line between giving the game away too soon and making it too obscure. Anyway I like it especially if I relate it back to your other song. As for expectations in terms of a recording, I don't have any, there's no real pressure to do one, I just like to push people a little bit sometimes.

Cheers
Paul]]> Sunday Songwriters Group pbee https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/another-5th-of-july-week-31/#post-182010 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/another-5th-of-july-week-31/#post-181683 Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:28:44 +0000
I liked both drafts of this, but like Celt, at first I thought it was about a lost love, then I thought, no it's a bit deeper than that.....

You said "Anyway, the song is about losing someone at a very young age on the fifth of July, and never quite coping--at least not on the outside. The fear comes from the witnessing the tragic way in which the person was lost--which is also what caused the denial, or repression, or whatever."

Now while I'm a fan of vague and mysterious, if you have to explain something to that extent you have to ask yourself has the whole point of the song been lost? I think that's what DH was trying to get across.....

As for being reluctant to make lyrics too specific, well why not? People can still relate to a good story without thinking, "Hey, that could be me!"

And the song? Lyrics read well, scans well - I think I like the re-write slightly more than the original, it seems slightly more focussed....

Nice writing!

:D :D :D

Vic]]> Sunday Songwriters Group Vic Lewis VL https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/another-5th-of-july-week-31/#post-181683 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/another-5th-of-july-week-31/#post-181680 Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:57:28 +0000
Joe]]> Sunday Songwriters Group Joe https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/another-5th-of-july-week-31/#post-181680 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/another-5th-of-july-week-31/#post-181648 Mon, 05 Jun 2006 18:50:45 +0000
I'm reluctant to make songs too specific because then they lose their relatability. It's okay to read it or listen and think it's about a lost love if that's the only way you can relate. The song holds a different meaning for me, and maybe anyone who's ever lost someone on a more permanent level, but I don't really think that topic needs to be shoved down anyone's throat. Though, admittedly, I have written a couple of slightly less vague songs on the same subject. Anyway, thanks, John. Appreciate the feedback.

Joe]]> Sunday Songwriters Group Joe https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/another-5th-of-july-week-31/#post-181648 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/another-5th-of-july-week-31/#post-181646 Mon, 05 Jun 2006 18:44:05 +0000
Good song I like the 5th of July it would be too easy
to make it the 4th. Being the 5th give it a slightly out
of the ordinary feel.

I do agree that it is vague though. I was reading it more as
a lost love song than a tragic death. You may want to expand
on that part some.

John]]> Sunday Songwriters Group Celt https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/another-5th-of-july-week-31/#post-181646 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/another-5th-of-july-week-31/#post-181643 Mon, 05 Jun 2006 18:03:12 +0000
I guess I didn't want to give too many details because I prefer when songs, though obviously personal are slightly more vague. Where you listen to the words and either relate or wonder about it. Then you find out what it means and go, oooooh, wow. Maybe I achieved this, though apparently not. Anyway, the song is about losing someone at a very young age on the fifth of July, and never quite coping--at least not on the outside. The fear comes from the witnessing the tragic way in which the person was lost--which is also what caused the denial, or repression, or whatever. I'm not sure if I want to give too many more details in the song, though since it seemed to stump you so much, I'll try to make it a little more clear. Thanks a lot for the feedback.

Joe]]> Sunday Songwriters Group Joe https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/another-5th-of-july-week-31/#post-181643 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/another-5th-of-july-week-31/#post-181616 Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:02:52 +0000
Maybe it's me, but I'm having a bit of trouble latching on to the narrator's "fear." The emotion (or reaction, if you will) usually has some cause and aside from the normal living of life, there doesn't seem to be any special reason for the narrator to feel that way. Obviously (from the first verse anyway) it's from the past. But that's about all I could glean from the lyrics.

Maybe you might want to take this great verse:
And yeah the grass was so green
On that fifth of July
A peacefulness in the air
And maybe I've seen
Enough summers go by
To stop thinking that life is unfair And use it as a starting point to explore the whys of the fear. Maybe not. I just think that if you were more specific than vague you could have a stronger overall lyric.

Looking forward to reading more.

Peace]]> Sunday Songwriters Group David Hodge https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/another-5th-of-july-week-31/#post-181616 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/another-5th-of-july-week-31/#post-18220 Mon, 05 Jun 2006 06:50:00 +0000 Another 5th of July
©2006JKovak

Another bright summer day
Another fifth of July
Has gone as fast as it came
And though the loneliness fades
With each clear summer sky
I still remember the one that made

Me wonder

When would summer be over
When would autumn be here
The sun was shining outside
When it was raining inside of me
And nothing but the sky was clear

I wondered

When would summer be over
Would it take with it my fears
I couldn't take anymore
Of the rain inside of me
Taking the place of my tears

And yeah the grass was so green
On that fifth of July
A peacefulness in the air
And maybe I've seen
Enough summers go by
To stop thinking that life is unfair

Oh but no matter how
Many summers go by
Even as the loneliness fades
As vivid now
As your smile and last cry
Is the memory that made

Me wonder

When would summer be over
When would autumn be here
The sun was shining outside
But it was raining inside of me
And nothing but the sky was clear

I wondered

When would summer be over
Would it take with it my fears
I couldn't take anymore
Of the rain inside of me
Taking the place of my tears

Another bright summer day
Another fifth of July
Will come around once again
How can I find a way
To remember your smile
Without reliving the pain that made

Me wonder

When would summer be over
When would autumn be here
The sun was shining outside
When it was raining inside of me
And nothing but the sky was clear

I wondered

When would summer be over
Would it take with it my fears
I couldn't take anymore
Of the rain inside of me
Taking the place of my tears]]> Sunday Songwriters Group Joe https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/another-5th-of-july-week-31/#post-18220