https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/ Guitar Noise Discussion Board en-US Thu, 04 Jun 2026 15:17:59 +0000 wpForo 60 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/#post-86360 Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:54:07 +0000 feel a bit smarter now, you always learn so much here.

I trust in you, scratch, and replace 'wow' with 'whoa'.
as for the other thing... not quite sure but I might just turn it into 'as naive as they come' (? I dunno)

thanks again, really appreciate your help.
and thanks G :wink:
bluenightangel]]> Sunday Songwriters Group straycat. https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/#post-86360 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/#post-85928 Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:15:54 +0000
The 'wo' sound you're going for is spelled "whoa". weird, I know. but that's how it's spelled. Young people here use it all the time too.

the phrase "...as they come" can be tacked on to the end of any adjective to indicate the greatest degree of that quality. i.e.:

" as Honest as they come"
"as Pretty as they come"
"as Guilty as they come"
"...as annoying as they come"

Sometimes, people say "...as they get" in the same way. i.e. "He's as sneeky as they get" Meaning they don't get any sneekier, so he's the sneekiest. So, "as they come" or "as they get" are both used to indicate highest, most, or greatest degree. Hopefully, before the week's out, I'll have a chance to comment on the song itself. One thing I can say very quickly, is that I love the setting / topic / subject you've chosen. Just beautiful.]]> Sunday Songwriters Group scratchmonkey https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/#post-85928 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/#post-85896 Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:36:36 +0000
Great stuff, the whole thing feels kind of coversational, which is nice. So many songs (in general, not just on GN) feel like lectures being given, but this is like we're just having a chat about it.
Cool.

Generally no complaints, and it seems you have had your own questions answered already!

Well, see you next week!!!
G]]> Sunday Songwriters Group gjbrake https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/#post-85896 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/#post-85672 Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:51:54 +0000
Girl: "You're wearing that cool pullover your girlfriend knitted for you."

Boy (shocked): "How did you know?"

He could have denied that his girlfriend had knitted it for him but he is too truthful, i.e. too honest, to even think to do that, even though the girl doesn't know it for a fact. (If she had known, the boy wouldn't have been shocked.)

As the girl then tells him: "You're as honest as they come. I'm guessing, of course."

Another thought - you could replace 'honest' with 'wide-eyed' to mean 'naive'. If you awoke with a start, wouldn't you have your eyes wide open? 'Dewy-eyed', as well as meaning 'naive', was also a play on the weather theme in your lyrics.]]> Sunday Songwriters Group Val https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/#post-85672 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/#post-85619 Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:55:28 +0000
didn't know 'wo' exists, so thanks for pointing it out, Val. I take that then for now. I see your point, Vic(btw it's just great to have you back not only posting but commenting), hah! has more emphasis but... you can't know but this 'wo' really is something my friends and me use very often lately, kinda as an 'I don't know what else to say' word and it goes well for me with the mood of the song.
of course, this might change as soon as I got a bit of distance to it;)
and thanks for your suggestion, lotto king, but I think it doesn't really fit as it indicates present tense and it actually refers to the following line which is past tense.(?)

dewy-eyed? sounds funny. yeah it would be better regarding the meaning(too bad, I really thought it would mean something like naive/not getting something obvious, because in the book it was like the girl saying:'you're wearing that cool pullover your girlfriend knitted for you.', the boy with a shock:'how did you know?', she:'you're as honest as they come, I'm guessing, of course!')

as for your little bit of 'tweaking', Vic, I'd go with 'deceived' but 'deceiving' rhymes with 'spring' and I can't see that much difference(... 'depressing' also rhymes with 'again' in a way).. whether you say '(It's) depressing' or '(I'm) depressed'.. ?

thank you all for your kind words and the suggestions, they're appreciated :wink:
bluenightangel]]> Sunday Songwriters Group straycat. https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/#post-85619 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/#post-85603 Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:17:24 +0000
and the song's pretty good too! I really like the bridge.....very nice imagery there...

If there was one thing I'd change, the chorus could stand just a little tweaking....maybe change "Wow" or "wo" to "Hah!" - sounds slightly more jaded and world weary...and maybe change "deceiving" to "deceived" and "depressing" to "depressed".....like I said, very minor tweaks but they might just help with the general flow.....

Excellent song, though....

:) :) :)

Vic.]]> Sunday Songwriters Group Vic Lewis VL https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/#post-85603 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/#post-85594 Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:40:07 +0000
I particularly like the way you have used different rhyme schemes to create lyrical contrast between verse, chorus and bridge.

'Wo' is listed in the dictionary as an interjection, so it is all right to replace 'wow' with 'wo' - I agree that this will sound much better.

'As honest as they come' means totally trustworthy. My own thought here would be to replace 'honest' with 'dewy-eyed', which will give you the meaning of 'naive' that you are looking for.]]> Sunday Songwriters Group Val https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/#post-85594 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/#post-85461 Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:29:46 +0000
once again you post another truely lovely piece , i enjoyed this very very much

You said that" the 'wow' might seem to not quite fit the piece"

and you might cut it out later if it didn't fit , so I was thinking if you change it to NOW IT'S EASILY DECIEVING ?

Oh well that's my 5 cents worth but it really nice


cheers]]> Sunday Songwriters Group lotto king https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/#post-85461 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/#post-6412 Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:54:21 +0000 sunday was inspiring;) I wasn't well and took a nap and when I woke up the sun had gone away and it all looked like winter again(but before I fell asleep it had looked so soothingly like summer, with the warm yellow light.. and I do not even hate winter ..still I was a bit sad then :wink: )

Shift of shade in the light

Verse1:
I returned from the kitchen at a tired pace
Today there is nothing new
I thought and was about to crawl back to bed
A glance outside the window
Got me all messed up, is winter already leaving?

Chorus:
Wow, easily deceiving
It looked like, say, at least, spring
Depressing
Now it looks like the greyest winter again

Verse2:
I looked for the mistakes in the painting
Soon convinced it was real
I put my heart at ease and withdrew in a daydream
Might have been no big deal
But to me nigh the best news ever since November

Chorus:
Wow, easily deceiving
It looked like, say, at least, spring
Depressing
Now it looks like the greyest winter again

Bridge:
Why would the infertile grey catch up with me
And my sparkling spring fantasy
Let it crumble in my outstretched hand
Hear me sigh in this barren land
Oh well, just a shift of shade

Verse3:
I awoke with a start about 4 o' clock
As honest as they come
I didn't expect it all to vanish in a fog
Sure enjoyed mocking me, sun
*resigned sigh*
Well, it was winter to begin with

Chorus:
Wow, easily deceiving
It looked like, say, at least, spring
Infinitely depressing
Now it looks like the greyest winter all over again.

so hey, hope you like it.
the 'wow' might seem to not quite fit the piece, but, well, I want it to sound more like wo , I dunno how to describe it, like the 'o' in home? anyway maybe I'll cut it out eventually if it really doesn't fit.
and could anyone explain the exact meaning of 'as honest as they come' to me, please? I read it in a book last week and I think it means something like naive, am I right?

thanks.
bluenightangel]]> Sunday Songwriters Group straycat. https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y3week11-shift-of-shade-in-the-light/#post-6412