https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y7week24-this-aint-no-negotiation/ Guitar Noise Discussion Board en-US Thu, 04 Jun 2026 16:27:14 +0000 wpForo 60 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y7week24-this-aint-no-negotiation/#post-327399 Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:15:38 +0000 at a concert, years ago, the marvellous singer teitur told the story behind his song "guilt by association".. it was about to guys with a rifle, in a fog, thinking they were shooting a dog, but it really was a man and then they were both on the run until the police (or whomever) caught up with them...

he might have seen that movie, too :D

cheers,
straycat.]]> Sunday Songwriters Group straycat. https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y7week24-this-aint-no-negotiation/#post-327399 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y7week24-this-aint-no-negotiation/#post-327286 Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:30:52 +0000
That's working for me :D So it's bold plan, successfully carried through and subsequent doubts/no longer agree on what they did, are to do... It reminds me a bit of a DVD I watched last night "Guilty by Association"....about small time drug hustlers in Washington D.C. The two friends from childhood turn on each other....while one is chasing the other through the playground, he accidentally shoots his girlfriend's 5 year old daughter who was playing on the slide.... he can't live with the guilt....turns himself in.....is stabbed in prison by the girl's biological father.... not a movie I would really recommend, but it captured the idea of "tough guy" falling apart or regretting his choices and what brought him down....a bit like Crime and Punishment.....guilt... :|

James]]> Sunday Songwriters Group jamestoffee https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y7week24-this-aint-no-negotiation/#post-327286 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y7week24-this-aint-no-negotiation/#post-327210 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:18:32 +0000
This Ain't No Negotiation (title: Nick, chorus 1+2: Vic, verse 2: James)

We said you for me, I for you
Knives on our ankles were our first tattoos
We charmed the west wind and boldly betrayed him
We took their money, now you're second-guessing

This ain't no negotiation
It ain't that kinda situation
This is a final demand…
So you better forget your plans

If two heads are better than one
Then why am I here with a loaded gun
If I was the muscle and you were the brains
This botched up heist shows we're both insane

This ain't no negotiation,
No rules, no regulations,
No place to run to…
Or there's no more “me and you”

This ain't no negotiation
No horse, no sunset evasion
Lay bare your wounds
And I'll show you mine, too

Re-wording alternatives for the said line:
When we took their money where was your guilty conscience
Their money, your hands, no guilty conscience (back) then
Now: second thoughts, their money in your hands
Now you're second-guessing, their money in your hands
or.......?

So it's bold plan, successfully carried through and subsequent doubts/no longer agree on what they did, are to do...
.... then the bridge might link to the wounds in the last chorus... like... previous arguments/failed trust falls... maybe the two are even lovers and now the different opinions on the "work"-side leads to a seperation on the "personal" side... what have you;-) It's yours.

Cheers,
straycat.]]> Sunday Songwriters Group straycat. https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y7week24-this-aint-no-negotiation/#post-327210 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y7week24-this-aint-no-negotiation/#post-326611 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:04:53 +0000
Good writes. :D Knives on our ankles were our first tattoos This line is excellent. It sums up so much in so few words :!:

Suggestions:

We said you for me, I for you
Knives on our ankles were our first tattoos
We hit trouble left, right and centre, laughin' still
So when I found you packing, I lost it...... ending this line with "what's the deal?
now your packing; what's the deal?
The owl skreaked treachery, what's the deal?

I get what you are talking about the breaking of the bond of brotherhood, but maybe not happy with the why of the break or betrayal

Two suggestions for possible different angles:
1 the guys are doing a heist but only know each other by reputation....maybe they both have a secret love and on the heist it comes out that they are both seeing the same person who was playing both of them

2 guy gets girl pregnant....guy doesn't want to have the baby or be the father.....girl says, "ok, but you owe me to do one bank robbery to pay for raising the kid on my own and then you are a free man"....they agree, but things don't go as planned.

Play with the fun stuff, junk the rest :wink:

James]]> Sunday Songwriters Group jamestoffee https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y7week24-this-aint-no-negotiation/#post-326611 https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y7week24-this-aint-no-negotiation/#post-35728 Sat, 18 Apr 2009 18:32:04 +0000
Title: Nick
Chorus 1+2: Vic
Verse 2: James

This Ain't No Negotiation

We said you for me, I for you
Knives on our ankles were our first tattoos
We hit trouble left, right and centre, laughin' still
So when I found you packing, I lost it

This ain't no negotiation
It ain't that kinda situation
This is a final demand…
So you better forget your plans

If two heads are better than one
Then why am I here with a loaded gun
If I was the muscle and you were the brains
This botched up heist shows we're both insane

This ain't no negotiation,
No rules, no regulations,
No place to run to…
Or there's no more “me and you”

This ain't no negotiation
No horse, no sunset evasion
Lay bare your wounds
And I'll show you mine, too


Okay, now, I thought like friends/companions/etc., sticking to each other, and then the hint at betrayal of some sort... and a contrasting and comparing wound sizes at the end... got some more versions of the first verse, because the third line and the end of the fourth don't sit quite right with me.... any suggestions? Re-writings most welcome :wink:

We said brothers and sisters
One for all, all for one, bitter
Was the dust when we woke alone
The owl skreaked treachery, it chilled our bones

We said you for me, I for you
Knives on our ankles were our first tattoos
We hit trouble left, right and centre, kid
So when I found you packing, I lost it

We said you for me, I for you
Knives on our ankles were our first tattoos
We cast the first stones boldly
So when I found you packing, it threw me

Cheers,
straycat.]]> Sunday Songwriters Group straycat. https://guitarnoise.forum/sunday-songwriters-group/y7week24-this-aint-no-negotiation/#post-35728