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Looking up Fletcher-Munson was a good read - I'd always assumed rolling down the volume and getting a weedy sound for your trouble was a quirk of electronics rather than my ears :)

Fascinating, isn't it?

This is also a good read.

hey bro grey

thanx for joining in . okay your 100% right when u say speaker output depends on the amp output .

i will get back to u on this in the evenin . i have to leave for a

cheeers!

Shane

Here is a good article from that site Greybeard posted.

Setting Sound System Level Controls

Of course I like this article because it agrees with what I've been saying. :D

But really, I am not trying to be right. These are the types of articles I used to study when I first started out with my own PA. I am still no expert at all, and still learning, but these articles gave me a good idea how to set up my system.

What you may not understand it that you have been sending a weak input signal to your amps. This causes the amp to work harder to produce volume. Turning the amp to max makes the amp work harder, overheat, and clip.

This is also a good read.
Aye, thanks for that one too :)

dear wes, yes we both are trying to get the right answer.

i wont say u are wrong or i m right ( conditions apply) . as i said i was confused before abt the amps . so i started going for classes with a proffesional sound and electronic engineer , paying hourly . this man is a pro and qualified he makes amps.

u have not answered my previsous question wes . abt how would u drive the EV 2200 amps if your using 800 watts EV T252 .this amps gives 800 watts at 4ohms. ( T252 is 4ohms speaker) . will need to knw the exact position of your amps.

so i can explain further how it exactly works. just so i can explain myself better.

most Ev pro amps have a 30 db headroom.

Shane

If you are asking what my settings on the amp would be, I cannot tell you as it would vary from venue to venue. I only turn up my amp's volume (sensitivity) to what I need. I would need more volume at a large club or a big noisy crowd, I need less volume in a small venue or small crowd.

When it comes to volume, I do not go by any preconceived numbers in my head. I go by my ears. I will often play good quality CDs through my PA before the band goes on. I will walk around the club and listen. I might have the volume fairly low for the 1st set before the crowd comes in. Later on I might make adjustments. If by first break there is a large crowd, again I walk around and listen ( I play CDs on breaks as well). I try to get a good volume with presence, but also keep the volume down to where people can talk to each other.

So I cannot give you numbers on my settings at all. They vary from venue to venue, they even change during the gig.

I don't think you read those articles. It clearly explains that you do not have to turn an amp's control to max for maximum output power. The articles explain that with a good strong input signal the amp will produce max output power with the control set very low. When you do not have sufficient input signal you are forced to turn the amp up. The amp is working harder to produce the same volume. The amp can clip and overheat. Read those articles. You will see nowhere where a given setting is mentioned.

Shane, here is an excerpt from that article.
Amplifier input sensitivity controls do not change the available output power. They only change the input level required to produce full output power. Clearly understanding the above, makes setting these controls elementary. You want the maximum system signal to cause full power at the amplifier.

And....
To set the amplifier controls to achieve full power with your maximum input signal use the following procedure. If your system uses active crossovers, for the moment, set all the crossover output level controls to maximum.

1. At the amplifier, disconnect the loudspeakers that cannot handle demanding sine and pink noise test signals, or for those confident the test signal will not harm their loudspeaker(s), warn everyone you are about to make a LOT of noise! Can you say "ear plugs?"

2. Turn the amplifier sensitivity controls all the way down (least sensitive; fully CCW; off).

Warning: even at this minimum sensitivity setting, many amplifiers still produce considerable levels. Since all upstream level controls are currently set to deliver the maximum signal, use an upstream level control that is easily and accurately reset to its current position to turn down the test signal. This is most likely the console's main output level.
3. Turn on the first power amplifier.

4. Return the system level to its previous setting at the console's main output to make sure the signal at the device driving the amp is again delivering max (unclipped) signal.

5. Slowly rotate the amplifier sensitivity control until clipping just begins. Stop! This is the maximum possible power output using the maximum system input signal. In general, if there is never a bigger input signal, this setting guarantees the amplifier cannot clip. (Note: if this much power causes the loudspeaker to "bottom out," or distort in any manner, then you have a mismatch between your amp and speaker. Matching speakers and amps is another subject beyond this note.)

6. Repeat the above process for each power amplifier.

So, you see here that the writer recommends only turning your amp's control up until clipping just begins. The stronger the input signal to the amp, the sooner this will occur. You see nothing here about turning an amp's control to max.

This article is extremely helpful and seems to confirm that amps don't need to be turned up all the way:

http://www.mmproductions.co.uk/gain3.html

So, you see here that the writer recommends only turning your amp's control up until clipping just begins. The stronger the input signal to the amp, the sooner this will occur. You see nothing here about turning an amp's control to max.

bro , exactly what i m sayin , i will always turn my amp control until clipping.

::Note: if this much power causes the loudspeaker to "bottom out," or distort in any manner, then you have a mismatch between your amp and speaker. Matching speakers and amps is another subject beyond this note.)

i always make sure my amps match with the speaker.

if my the amp has more power then my speaker . i check my amp and giving a signal which is enough for the speaker to handle

bro , exactly what i m sayin , i will always turn my amp control until clipping.
BUT......................
as far as amps goes, sound is lograthimic , u should always crank your amps full.
if u check with a qualified sound engineer he would say to crank the amps fully
therefore inorder to use the full power of the speakers turn the amp fully. if the amp is not full the total power is not utilized
but after studying whats actually happenin in the amps i have started to crank them up fully

Confusing and contradictory.

Well, technically it's not contradictory - he didn't say anything about stopping when he started to get clipping :)

u guys r not getting ,

i always make sure my amps match with the speaker.

if my the amp has more power then my speaker . i check my amp and giving a signal which is enough for the speaker to handle

i always check the speaker output first n then use an amp which supports that power

if i use 800 watts speaker at 4 ohms and i m using using an amp which supports 800watss at 4 ohms . i drive the amps full

if i use 500 watts speaker at 4 ohms and i m using an amp which supports 800 watts at 4 ohms . in this case i cannot drive the amp full. i will make sure i drive the amp at around 500 watts or less

i have never had my sound distorted in any ways. i must have done over 100shws.

i have never had my sound distorted in any ways. i must have done over 100shws.
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i m studying sound privately its been almost five months . n have learnt alot. just starting to practically put it to practice.
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